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Except, again, the images are generally true, and you won't even refute it. That's why I'm saying it's not a convincing argument. You're saying OP shouldn't believe the image.
I said primarily Zionism, and then went on to say - which you also quoted - that there was some general Jew stuff I don't even agree with. So, yeah, not "just Zionism," and I never said that.
Oh, come on. It's not holy, and I dislike any argument that tries to immediately shut down the discussion. It's like saying climate denial or science denial, or homophobia or racism. It's just an attack. You have two Holocaust-related pictures, as far as I can tell. The 'lampshades' thing, which has been pretty heavily debunked by now, as I understand, so at least that part should be "denied," because it's a lie. And then shower doors. Which is, if nothing else, weird. We can argue about how important it is, or what it means, but it's certainly strange. Am I denying the Holocaust too?
Which?
I strongly disagree with them. But my point was they've muddied the waters. It doesn't matter if I agree or not, that's how many conversations go because others have been convinced. Jews and Zionism are obviously incredibly closely linked, and the Zionists love that, and do what they can to further conflate the two in all contexts.
And I don't care. I wasn't here to agree with OP, I just didn't like your empty rebuttal, and wanted some clarification. For all I know OP thinks I'm a Zionist shill too. Wouldn't be the first time; I agree plenty on that side can be rather one-track, and you're either completely with them or completely against them. Again, I don't care what OP thinks. And it doesn't affect my argument in any way, if he agrees with me or not.
I don't know. I recognize the image, but don't remember the full context? What was she saying?
Also, the point I was making was about Zionist influence. Because I think that's the important part; why are so many US politicians swearing loyalty to a foreign power, and why are they so dedicated to stamping out specifically "antisemitism?" You say it's a popular position, but is it? To some extent, but does that make it better? Still seems like a massive problem, and "it's popular" isn't a good answer. Socialist "free shit" stuff like universal healthcare and UBI are fairly popular, since a bunch of people love the concept of "free" government gibs.
So, it doesn't matter if Zionism is "popular" or not, if it's a big problem. Which I'd argue it is. Just like I don't want government redistribution of wealth, I don't want my politicians loyal or beholden to a foreign power. That's a problem.
I probably could. But I'm just saying what the images OP posted represent. It's the same thing. That trip where Abbott got the Totally Bestest Zionist Ever award was the same trip he signed the antisemitism bill.
Not at all. Let's propose arguendo that this is 'generally true'. I would not eat something that was tainted by sewage, nor would I post something even if it were 'generally true' - except to criticize or by pointing out that this is the case. Do you see this ilk doing that?
Not only that, there is an overarching message which you yourself admit confuses you.
So let's be real for a moment.
I'm saying no one should. Are you seriously going to believe CNN because what they say is 'generally true', even though they actively try to deceive you?
Yup, I reply to points in order.
It's nothing of the sort. No one denies the existence of a climate. There are going to be people who will call you all sorts of names for finding something 'strange'. Does that mean that there aren't people who deny actual historical facts? Mostly people who dearly want to repeat that historical fact. There's a guy here called AgnosticTemplar. He pretty openly said: the Holocaust was a lie but I wish it were true.
See, you're making statements based on the evidence. Now compare that to "yes, yes, the holohoax is true, just like lampshades". A little bit different, don't you think? The funny thing is, if these people were actually capable of reading rather than repeating everything they see their fellow Nazis spout, they'd actually know more Holocaust frauds. Ever heard of Benjamin Wilkomirski? I bet you haven't.
For one, the first image was taken in America, so it really has nothing to do with 'Zionism'. The one called an Auschwitz survivor, I'm assuming for that.
How, exactly? You could say that they try to muddy the waters. How have they actually done that? How are they preventing people from seeing the difference between 'Israel' and 'Jews'? They're not. And while it's at least somewhat defensible to label a preoccupation with hating Israel as anti-Semitism, because it's a Jewish state and it makes sense to hate them if you hate Jews, it does not follow that you have to hate some random Jew because you hate Israel.
Insofar as you posted in defense of him, it does. And let's remember, it started when I said that you're a complete blithering moron if you believe anonymous online images without any critical thought whatsoever. Which is true even if you agreed with it. A lot of the right is believing basically any claim about USAID, many of which are false. Now, I don't like USAID, but what they're actually doing is more than enough to show that.
Regardless, she lives in London. It has nothing to do with 'Zionism'. So what should people be 'suspicious' of? Hint: it's the people these people are raving about basically 24/7.
I think I answered it. Why do they swear loyalty to Ukraine? I know you're critical of that as well, but online Nazis don't claim a world-wide Ukrainian conspiracy to make up the Holodomor and to advance the interests of Ukraine.* Haven't you noticed that this is true for nearly every single project of the military-industrial complex?
Support for Israel is. But I did say that more important is that moneyed interests & MIC back it. You've noticed that 'popularity' often means zilch, because you don't like in a democracy.
The above is a good answer to the question you asked, which is why it's happening. You might then proceed to argue that it's not a 'good thing', but that's a separate matter.
You've got your work cut out for you. Of course, it's not really 'beholden' to another country, but rather dedicated to a vassal state (which is also bad!)
No, you're whitewashing things. You say that it's about "zionism", despite the fact that many elements have nothing to do with it, and the only thing they have in common is... And while you immediately and infallibly tell us that the image with Gregg Abbott is definitely about zionism because he signed some sort of law, you're absolutely baffled by how an Auschwitz survivor would be included in the images.
Not asserting bad intent on your part. I think you have a bit of a blind spot. You've heard "racist etc." so many times that now you can look at pretty open Nazis and persuade yourself that they only have a problem... with some Israeli POLICIES.
I do...?
Why?
But the next point refuted the previous point, in this case.
Except 'climate denialism' is shorthand for manmade climate change, as you know. It's used to shutdown discussion. As you know. And it's the exact same usage as holocaust denial.
Did. OP. Do. That?
You keep saying OP shouldn't believe stuff, or that there are some people who do somethings. You still haven't said what OP is wrong about, or even that he is.
And? What does that have to do with this?
Did OP do that? You keep bringing in unrelated things. As for me making statements based on evidence...I'm literally just explaining the pictures in the OP, that you say "no one should believe."
WHAT?
Also, pointing out that the sewer Jews thing was weird as fuck is an attack on American Jews?
I mean, we literally have laws that say criticizing Israel is antisemitic. And stuff like the American Zionist Council rebranding into the American Israel Public Affairs Committee would be a good example, but there are tons. A bunch of explicitly Zionist organizations love to conflate themselves with Jews as a whole. And this is all stuff you know.
Did I ever say prevent? I said muddy the waters. Which they do constantly.
I asked you to explain your position, which you basically still haven't.
Again, absolutely what? What's your argument here? Zionism can't exist in London? In America? I don't even get it.
Because they're retarded, easily led, and or evil. And I condemn that, just as I condemn loyalty to Israel.
But that's the point. You're acting like there being an explanation means it's not worth talking about.
No, I think the picture of him receiving the Friends of Zion Award probably has something to do with Zionism.
Again...I am? I didn't realize I was baffled, but I'm starting to become so...
I've admitted multiple times that Nazis are often obsessive and believe many things I personally don't. I still don't believe is bad arguments and attempts to shutdown discussions. From Nazis or anti-Nazis.
Well yeah, you claimed that the label is about 'mistrusting zionism', but then you could not explain the images that clearly show that it's not.
Again?
Don't go about defending that trash to make a half-baked point. It's not a shorthand, it's a smear. Just like equating modern 'manmade climate change' with 'climate change', as if there is anyone who doesn't believe the climate has ever changed.
"Not at all. Let's propose arguendo that this is 'generally true'. I would not eat something that was tainted by sewage, nor would I post something even if it were 'generally true' - except to criticize or by pointing out that this is the case. Do you see this ilk doing that?
Not only that, there is an overarching message which you yourself admit confuses you [because you stated it was about 'Zionism' while not being to explain images that obviously have nothing to do with it]....
I'm saying no one should. Are you seriously going to believe CNN because what they say is 'generally true', even though they actively try to deceive you?"`
Didn't say it was an "attack" on American Jews. But this was supposed to be about being 'suspicious of zionism'. How does the absurd behavior of some American Jews fit into that? Not exactly obvious to me. Apparently it might not be to you either. You were easily able to prove it with Abbott.
Not true. If you're going to be a stickler for precision, then be so consistently, not only when it suits you. The laws are stupid enough that you don't have to exaggerate.
Yes, like I said, try to muddy the waters.
I just had to repeat it because you apparently missed it.
It's not immediately obvious to me what an Auschwitz survivor in London has to do with 'Zionism'. I've been assured that this image is about Zionism. So I'm not clear on why she is being featured there.
Yeah, you did. And it did. When it actually does have something to do with Zionism, you can immediately point to what it is.
I know you do. But wait, so you're content with facile (though not wrong) explanations for that, but when it comes to Israel, you're wondering about why?
Who told you not to talk about it? Talk about it all you want. I see little BUT talking about that... on a Gamergate forum.
As am I.
We all believe our own arguments are megastrong, and other people's arguments, at least when they disagree with us, are very bad. In fact, I believe the term 'intelligent' means 'someone who agrees with me'.
This wasn't a discussion, and laughing at people for believing an image isn't shutting one down anyway. There's a very good reason Nazis don't engage in discussion.
Anyway, this is beyond pointless. I don't even understand how you can possibly believe what you do, as you apparently don't for me.
I said I didn't know the context. I looked it up. The Holocaust survivor interview is her saying the liberation pictures are fakes. Is she a Holocaust Denier too? Anne Frank's stepsister? Auschwitz survivor?
So, you're definitely right, it's important to look into things. We're all learning new stuff, grand! Right? Isn't that interesting?
Agreed. "Denialism" is a smear.
You, earlier:
When asked for an example, you gave the sewer Jews, and are now saying you didn't say it was an attack.
No, "we literally have laws that say criticizing Israel is antisemitic" is a true statement. Or, if you want to quibble over "law," at the very least "official government stance." And, yeah, you could argue not all criticism, but if you read through the list, it's most of it, and there are absurd tests to determine if your criticism of Israel is antisemitic or not.
Explained. She says the liberation photos are fake.
And I still don't know what location has to do with Zionism. There is Zionism in London, there is Zionism is America.
"Don't believe the image!"
There you go again. What, exactly, do I believe? And why shouldn't I?
Why do you care if holocaust was real or not or if someone said it was a lie but wishes it wasn't true or if someone wants to repeat this historical fact? I thought you weren't a jew in your own words.