It's always depressing how easily brainwashed people are.
What did America do? Wrong guy won the election. I thought Democracy™ was so important...
Even though the Russia outrage is fake and gay, I at least get invading your neighboring country making you a pariah nation. On the one hand, the USA has been shitting up the world for ages anyway, and people either just didn't care, or whined impotently. On the other hand...the US hasn't added additional bullshit on that level under Trump. So, if (and yes, we're speaking incredibly hypothetically) these mouthbreathers had any consistent values, they either would have already been shunning the big bad US, or they'd be fine with us.
Although Trump has been changing things internally, it's nothing non-Americans need to freak out about.
Yes, but Democracy™ means overthrowing the government, declaring any elected candidate who doesn't support your coup a traitor and cancelling elections.
I at least get invading your neighboring country making you a pariah nation.
I love that they always specify 'neighboring country' as if that is a mitigating rather than an aggravating condition. Yeah, sure, going to the other side of the world to invade a country that is no conceivable threat to you is much better.
On the other hand...the US hasn't added additional bullshit on that level under Trump.
That's exactly the problem with Orange Hitler.
they either would have already been shunning the big bad US
Not to mention the many European countries who have been deep state puppets.
it's nothing non-Americans need to freak out about.
Non-Americans will freak out about whatever the television tells them to freak out about.
I love that they always specify 'neighboring country' as if that is a mitigating rather than an aggravating condition.
I can see it both ways. On the one hand, it's a more understandable invasion, on the other hand it feels more immediate and threatening to outsiders. The US does imperialism from afar, and has (sort of) good PR. "Imperialism" on your border is somewhat easier to scare people with, even though it's still massive propaganda. Russia also wants to take and hold at least parts of Ukraine. The US (ostensibly!) is just going in to bring freedom and democracy to their enemies. Even thought it's the same thing, I can see why one is more easily painted as an "invasion" than the other. It's all optics.
That's exactly the problem with Orange Hitler.
Sure, but it's not the NPC normie argument. They're not whining that he's not expanding the corporate empire, they're whining about Fascism™ and Safety™. And the foot soldiers at least seem to actually believe it. They've consumed their own BS, and honestly believe the US is some despotic hellhole now, under Orange Fuhrer.
Non-Americans will freak out about whatever the television tells them to freak out about.
Many such cases. Innumerable.
I'm also just hoping Europe doesn't go for the trifecta and start yet another world war.
On the one hand, it's a more understandable invasion, on the other hand it feels more immediate and threatening to outsiders.
Why though? They sure didn't feel "threatened" when Azerbaijan invaded Armenia, hell, they were funding its war machine.
This outrage, like every other outrage, is manufactured. I saw more images of civilian casualties in the first week of Russia 'Ukraine' than I did in 20 years of deep state wars.
The US does imperialism from afar, and has (sort of) good PR.
Yup. The whole 'western' propaganda apparatus is second to none... while persuading everyone that there is a 'Russian propagandist' under your bed.
Sure, but it's not the NPC normie argument. They're not whining that he's not expanding the corporate empire, they're whining about Fascism™ and Safety™. And the foot soldiers at least seem to actually believe it.
As you say, there's a real reason, and then there's the reason that's fed to the rabble. The problem is, people here really don't know anything about the US, so it's difficult to even begin to dismantle an entire edifice of preconceptions and propaganda.
Imagine if all you knew about America was what you saw on CNN. For decades. Never any personal experience, nor any contact with anyone who had personal experience.
When people have personal experience, that is a good antidote to propaganda. The same people who think that Trump is the worst scumbag in the world, also don't like immigration and are unafraid to say it to me (a colored).
They've consumed their own BS, and honestly believe the US is some despotic hellhole now, under Orange Fuhrer.
But that's true. I saw three American prosecutors talking and laughing about how they arrest and imprison people for posting 'insults' and 'offensive content' online. And then they laughed about how they take away people's phones, and that this is even worse than the other punishment, because "your whole life" is on your phone.
I'm also just hoping Europe doesn't go for the trifecta and start yet another world war.
This outrage, like every other outrage, is manufactured.
No argument here.
Imagine if all you knew about America was what you saw on CNN. For decades. Never any personal experience, nor any contact with anyone who had personal experience.
That's a really important point, well said. Europe seems to falsely believe all of America is what they also falsely believe Texas is. Guns and violence everywhere, rednecks, absolute anarchy. "Hate speech" and racism running wild. Absolute barbarity.
When people have personal experience, that is a good antidote to propaganda. The same people who think that Trump is the worst scumbag in the world, also don't like immigration and are unafraid to say it to me (a colored).
Yeah, I had someone visit from Europe, and they were conservative (European "conservative") and they knew covid was bullshit, hated their own government, hated the level of tax...but also thought paying your taxes was basically holy and, most surprisingly...that the US needed to fund the Ukraine war to protect Europe from Russia, for Global Stability™.
Man. I always keep my cool, and get along with everyone, but I was starting to get pretty pissed off. I still was polite, because he was a guest, but the fucking nerve, especially from an alleged conservative. Come to my country, say it's my duty to pay my taxes to wage war against Russia, so Putin doesn't roll through Europe? Absolutely fuck you. Go back to Europe. Or stay here and get a new perspective. But that shit was straight up disrespectful.
But, like you said, it was just from ignorance, and an extremely skewed perspective.
I think they're expecting Canada to be invaded and they will fight it off with their slogans. They have no idea that Trump plays monetary politics and will make Canada so weak it joins the USA.
It's always depressing how easily brainwashed people are.
What did America do? Wrong guy won the election. I thought Democracy™ was so important...
Even though the Russia outrage is fake and gay, I at least get invading your neighboring country making you a pariah nation. On the one hand, the USA has been shitting up the world for ages anyway, and people either just didn't care, or whined impotently. On the other hand...the US hasn't added additional bullshit on that level under Trump. So, if (and yes, we're speaking incredibly hypothetically) these mouthbreathers had any consistent values, they either would have already been shunning the big bad US, or they'd be fine with us.
Although Trump has been changing things internally, it's nothing non-Americans need to freak out about.
Yes, but Democracy™ means overthrowing the government, declaring any elected candidate who doesn't support your coup a traitor and cancelling elections.
I'll try to get a better archive, but there's a lot of lefty conjecture about safety.
Democracy means that they win.
I love that they always specify 'neighboring country' as if that is a mitigating rather than an aggravating condition. Yeah, sure, going to the other side of the world to invade a country that is no conceivable threat to you is much better.
That's exactly the problem with Orange Hitler.
Not to mention the many European countries who have been deep state puppets.
Non-Americans will freak out about whatever the television tells them to freak out about.
I can see it both ways. On the one hand, it's a more understandable invasion, on the other hand it feels more immediate and threatening to outsiders. The US does imperialism from afar, and has (sort of) good PR. "Imperialism" on your border is somewhat easier to scare people with, even though it's still massive propaganda. Russia also wants to take and hold at least parts of Ukraine. The US (ostensibly!) is just going in to bring freedom and democracy to their enemies. Even thought it's the same thing, I can see why one is more easily painted as an "invasion" than the other. It's all optics.
Sure, but it's not the NPC normie argument. They're not whining that he's not expanding the corporate empire, they're whining about Fascism™ and Safety™. And the foot soldiers at least seem to actually believe it. They've consumed their own BS, and honestly believe the US is some despotic hellhole now, under Orange Fuhrer.
Many such cases. Innumerable.
I'm also just hoping Europe doesn't go for the trifecta and start yet another world war.
Why though? They sure didn't feel "threatened" when Azerbaijan invaded Armenia, hell, they were funding its war machine.
This outrage, like every other outrage, is manufactured. I saw more images of civilian casualties in the first week of Russia 'Ukraine' than I did in 20 years of deep state wars.
Yup. The whole 'western' propaganda apparatus is second to none... while persuading everyone that there is a 'Russian propagandist' under your bed.
As you say, there's a real reason, and then there's the reason that's fed to the rabble. The problem is, people here really don't know anything about the US, so it's difficult to even begin to dismantle an entire edifice of preconceptions and propaganda.
Imagine if all you knew about America was what you saw on CNN. For decades. Never any personal experience, nor any contact with anyone who had personal experience.
When people have personal experience, that is a good antidote to propaganda. The same people who think that Trump is the worst scumbag in the world, also don't like immigration and are unafraid to say it to me (a colored).
But that's true. I saw three American prosecutors talking and laughing about how they arrest and imprison people for posting 'insults' and 'offensive content' online. And then they laughed about how they take away people's phones, and that this is even worse than the other punishment, because "your whole life" is on your phone.
Counting the Napoleonic Wars, we're already at 3.
No argument here.
That's a really important point, well said. Europe seems to falsely believe all of America is what they also falsely believe Texas is. Guns and violence everywhere, rednecks, absolute anarchy. "Hate speech" and racism running wild. Absolute barbarity.
Yeah, I had someone visit from Europe, and they were conservative (European "conservative") and they knew covid was bullshit, hated their own government, hated the level of tax...but also thought paying your taxes was basically holy and, most surprisingly...that the US needed to fund the Ukraine war to protect Europe from Russia, for Global Stability™.
Man. I always keep my cool, and get along with everyone, but I was starting to get pretty pissed off. I still was polite, because he was a guest, but the fucking nerve, especially from an alleged conservative. Come to my country, say it's my duty to pay my taxes to wage war against Russia, so Putin doesn't roll through Europe? Absolutely fuck you. Go back to Europe. Or stay here and get a new perspective. But that shit was straight up disrespectful.
But, like you said, it was just from ignorance, and an extremely skewed perspective.
I think they're expecting Canada to be invaded and they will fight it off with their slogans. They have no idea that Trump plays monetary politics and will make Canada so weak it joins the USA.
And that's a good thing?
Fighting the wrong battle at least.