We don't know, for certain, that Trump was involved
Good, that's the entire point. You finally got it. Everything else you've said here is completely useless blubber because this was the entire point.
I read little else of it, because its obviously more bluster to hide the fact that you have no further substance to your point but conjecture. And based on how you conjectured about my character, you are so bad at that its actual retardation given voice.
I did see the words bad faith in it, which is funny given how much you've insulted my character both directly and through your assumptions about me that now you care about respectful argumentation. But you are right I stopped actually trying days ago because both of our positions and thoughts weren't changing and it was obvious.
That's only part of the sentence
Actually the full sentence was originally "...and I hope you kill yourself." But after a few minutes I realized that was overt and went back and editted it out. Good catch though, you noticed the thought was halfbaked though I think given how much time you wasted despite knowing I was wasting your time, maybe you should as you have nothing else going on.
Good, that's the entire point. You finally got it. Everything else you've said here is completely useless blubber because this was the entire point.
Then you missed the point entirely. I said that, as a caveat, because we can't be absolutely 100% certain he was involved.
However, we can't be absolutely 100% certain about most things and people in life. We can't be 100% certain that a convicted murderer is going to murder again, but we lock him up (for one reason) to protect the public, in any case. Intelligence and wisdom isn't just the ability to absorb that information, but to use it to deduce other facts, to draw accurate conclusions from limited data, by using recognized patterns and applying those patterns to other things which display similar connections. The more intelligent and wise a man is, the more he can accurately deduce from less and less data.
Why do you think "crazy", "whacko", "fringe", "insane" conspiracy theorists have been right about so many things the last several decades? We haven't been proven right because all of these conspiracy theories are confirmed on the nightly news, but because we could, and can, infer a lot from what the people in power have done, what they've said, what they believe, who they hang out with, their repeated patterns of behavior, what they've been caught doing in the past, and what they're currently up to right now.
The other mistake, associated with your point, is that you think we need to be 100% certain to act or to judge. That is absolutely false. If you're waiting on 100% certainty to "do the right thing", you'll be waiting forever. The only thing that we can ever know for certain is sound logic. That's it. Everything else is up for debate. Even the very reality we exist in could be entirely fabricated or manipulated, from old philosophical arguments from Descartes (powerful demon/entity manipulating our senses) to the more modern simulated reality postulate. This is because we, as humans, are finite, mortal, and imperfect (with a few exceptions not relevant to this specific debate). We can't know everything, and what we do know is up for interpretation, based on the limited data we have, which can alter our conclusions. Your tacit assertion that we can't pass judgment without 100% certainty necessarily results in good men becoming apathetic and inactive in the affairs of everything around them, refusing to cast judgment or act, purely because of the foolish fear that they might be wrong, even if that chance is infinitesimally small.
I read little else of it, because its obviously more bluster to hide the fact that you have no further substance to your point but conjecture.
I already showed that you don't care about the length. You only care that I disagree, and only use the length as a straw to grasp at any way to criticize me. You levy rules against me more harshly than you levy against someone that agrees with you, which makes you a hypocrite in this. And, just because you disagree, doesn't mean my arguments have no substance, or that it's pure conjecture. Our feelings have no bearing on truth, and your feelings are obvious.
I did see the words bad faith in it, which is funny given how much you've insulted my character both directly and through your assumptions about me that now you care about respectful argumentation.
I used your own words and arguments, to discredit your own words and arguments, and to accurately infer who you are and what your motives are. I pointed out where you're being hypocritical and false, where your outward stated goals are antithetical to your behaviors and beliefs. I disparaged your character where it deserved to be disparaged. No amount of "nu uh" will change that.
But you are right I stopped actually trying days ago because both of our positions and thoughts weren't changing and it was obvious.
You don't want to continue this debate because you can't. You don't want to. You'd rather die than ever admit being wrong. You'd rather cling to your beliefs like an anchor, letting them drown you, than ever self reflecting and changing.
Actually the full sentence was originally "...and I hope you kill yourself." But after a few minutes I realized that was overt and went back and editted it out.
I noticed you only said "overt", and didn't say "uncalled for" or "cruel". So, you'd rather I die, because I disagree with you. Absolutely incredible, and you purport to be the moral and good person in this? Your positions are so weak that if they meet one iota of scrutiny and disagreement, you'd rather your opponent die, or commit suicide, than ever changing your mind. This is yet another condemnation of your own character, sprouted forth from your own mouth. I'm not the one condemning you, I only point it out in words. It's you that condemns you.
Good catch though, you noticed the thought was halfbaked though I think given how much time you wasted despite knowing I was wasting your time, maybe you should as you have nothing else going on.
Debate, even futile debate, if truth is prioritized, is never a wasted effort. Good men, just like ideas, are honed and strengthened in challenge and hardship. Weak men, just like ideas, have never been challenged, and both shirk away from all hardship, and lash out at any who dare put them through it, like you are.
That was my point entirely. The fact that you kept trying to drag it in every direction possible just to avoid the fact that you couldn't beat it and have long since started talking just to stroke your own ego. Including now when I openly admitted to ceasing to read your spiels, you continue to write them.
So I'll repeat, please do kill yourself. Not for any grand reason, only because I hope you report me to Dom for it and he bans me for doing it. Because the idea of that is really fucking funny to me.
You're displaying that you're not reading, as this was directly addressed a few times in my previous replies. Why even continue a conversation if you're not even bothering to listen? Just go talk to yourself in a corner, as how much you're willing to partake.
The fact that you kept trying to drag it in every direction possible
Oh look, another display of "I didn't read anything that disagreed with me, and I'm proud of it" line of argumentation. I directly addressed your points, and connected it to the relevant related topics.
just to avoid the fact that you couldn't beat it
This was also directly addressed in previous replies, which you didn't read. Congratulations on your impediment, I guess. You seem to be proud of it.
and have long since started talking just to stroke your own ego.
Oh look, ANOTHER topic directly addressed in previous replies. Engaging a debate to the bitter end, even with an unwavering opponent, holds great merit. But, you are entirely afraid to do this, because you, your ideas, and your arguments are weak, which is why you become so hostile to anyone who disagrees with you, why you refuse to read anything in contradiction to your position, and why you constantly use logically fallacious arguments.
Including now when I openly admitted to ceasing to read your spiels, you continue to write them.
Another admission and prideful declaration of your own failings, with another topic directly addressed in previous replies.
So I'll repeat, please do kill yourself.
Your positions are so weak, and so are you, that you want anyone that disagrees with you to commit suicide. Out of the preponderance of what lies in the heart, spills forth from the mouth. By your own words, you reveal yourself, and what lies in your heart is poison, hubris, vitriol, and unrighteous hatred.
To answer your demand: no. I will not. I do not acquiesce to your demands. I only answer to God, and you are not God.
Not for any grand reason, only because I hope you report me to Dom for it and he bans me for doing it.
I don't censor people who disagree with me. I don't report them. I don't block them. I engage them. Precisely for the reasons I mentioned previously, which you didn't read.
Because the idea of that is really fucking funny to me.
No it's not. You're not laughing. This angers you, deep down, which is why you keep replying. My responses anger you, which is why you became so hostile and vitriolic toward me, and why you've twice now told me to kill myself. Perhaps, if you get angry enough, something will actually snap in your head, and you might, by some miracle, be forced to self reflect and change. One can hope. But you don't show much promise in that hope.
Literally said I wasn't my dude. My responses have gotten pretty short, so its even more pathetic that you miss that much.
which is why you keep replying
I reply to most everyone who replies to me. I've hit the response cap many, many times doing this in fact. Unless you think Gizortnik and Antonio are also super special and genius men, you stand among them in that regard. You aren't as special and smart as you think you are.
I tell you to kill yourself because I spent a lot of time on /b/ and that has warped my sense of humor in that direction. A cigar is just a cigar, my nigger.
Good, that's the entire point. You finally got it. Everything else you've said here is completely useless blubber because this was the entire point.
I read little else of it, because its obviously more bluster to hide the fact that you have no further substance to your point but conjecture. And based on how you conjectured about my character, you are so bad at that its actual retardation given voice.
I did see the words bad faith in it, which is funny given how much you've insulted my character both directly and through your assumptions about me that now you care about respectful argumentation. But you are right I stopped actually trying days ago because both of our positions and thoughts weren't changing and it was obvious.
Actually the full sentence was originally "...and I hope you kill yourself." But after a few minutes I realized that was overt and went back and editted it out. Good catch though, you noticed the thought was halfbaked though I think given how much time you wasted despite knowing I was wasting your time, maybe you should as you have nothing else going on.
Then you missed the point entirely. I said that, as a caveat, because we can't be absolutely 100% certain he was involved.
However, we can't be absolutely 100% certain about most things and people in life. We can't be 100% certain that a convicted murderer is going to murder again, but we lock him up (for one reason) to protect the public, in any case. Intelligence and wisdom isn't just the ability to absorb that information, but to use it to deduce other facts, to draw accurate conclusions from limited data, by using recognized patterns and applying those patterns to other things which display similar connections. The more intelligent and wise a man is, the more he can accurately deduce from less and less data.
Why do you think "crazy", "whacko", "fringe", "insane" conspiracy theorists have been right about so many things the last several decades? We haven't been proven right because all of these conspiracy theories are confirmed on the nightly news, but because we could, and can, infer a lot from what the people in power have done, what they've said, what they believe, who they hang out with, their repeated patterns of behavior, what they've been caught doing in the past, and what they're currently up to right now.
The other mistake, associated with your point, is that you think we need to be 100% certain to act or to judge. That is absolutely false. If you're waiting on 100% certainty to "do the right thing", you'll be waiting forever. The only thing that we can ever know for certain is sound logic. That's it. Everything else is up for debate. Even the very reality we exist in could be entirely fabricated or manipulated, from old philosophical arguments from Descartes (powerful demon/entity manipulating our senses) to the more modern simulated reality postulate. This is because we, as humans, are finite, mortal, and imperfect (with a few exceptions not relevant to this specific debate). We can't know everything, and what we do know is up for interpretation, based on the limited data we have, which can alter our conclusions. Your tacit assertion that we can't pass judgment without 100% certainty necessarily results in good men becoming apathetic and inactive in the affairs of everything around them, refusing to cast judgment or act, purely because of the foolish fear that they might be wrong, even if that chance is infinitesimally small.
I already showed that you don't care about the length. You only care that I disagree, and only use the length as a straw to grasp at any way to criticize me. You levy rules against me more harshly than you levy against someone that agrees with you, which makes you a hypocrite in this. And, just because you disagree, doesn't mean my arguments have no substance, or that it's pure conjecture. Our feelings have no bearing on truth, and your feelings are obvious.
I used your own words and arguments, to discredit your own words and arguments, and to accurately infer who you are and what your motives are. I pointed out where you're being hypocritical and false, where your outward stated goals are antithetical to your behaviors and beliefs. I disparaged your character where it deserved to be disparaged. No amount of "nu uh" will change that.
You don't want to continue this debate because you can't. You don't want to. You'd rather die than ever admit being wrong. You'd rather cling to your beliefs like an anchor, letting them drown you, than ever self reflecting and changing.
I noticed you only said "overt", and didn't say "uncalled for" or "cruel". So, you'd rather I die, because I disagree with you. Absolutely incredible, and you purport to be the moral and good person in this? Your positions are so weak that if they meet one iota of scrutiny and disagreement, you'd rather your opponent die, or commit suicide, than ever changing your mind. This is yet another condemnation of your own character, sprouted forth from your own mouth. I'm not the one condemning you, I only point it out in words. It's you that condemns you.
Debate, even futile debate, if truth is prioritized, is never a wasted effort. Good men, just like ideas, are honed and strengthened in challenge and hardship. Weak men, just like ideas, have never been challenged, and both shirk away from all hardship, and lash out at any who dare put them through it, like you are.
That was my point entirely. The fact that you kept trying to drag it in every direction possible just to avoid the fact that you couldn't beat it and have long since started talking just to stroke your own ego. Including now when I openly admitted to ceasing to read your spiels, you continue to write them.
So I'll repeat, please do kill yourself. Not for any grand reason, only because I hope you report me to Dom for it and he bans me for doing it. Because the idea of that is really fucking funny to me.
You're displaying that you're not reading, as this was directly addressed a few times in my previous replies. Why even continue a conversation if you're not even bothering to listen? Just go talk to yourself in a corner, as how much you're willing to partake.
Oh look, another display of "I didn't read anything that disagreed with me, and I'm proud of it" line of argumentation. I directly addressed your points, and connected it to the relevant related topics.
This was also directly addressed in previous replies, which you didn't read. Congratulations on your impediment, I guess. You seem to be proud of it.
Oh look, ANOTHER topic directly addressed in previous replies. Engaging a debate to the bitter end, even with an unwavering opponent, holds great merit. But, you are entirely afraid to do this, because you, your ideas, and your arguments are weak, which is why you become so hostile to anyone who disagrees with you, why you refuse to read anything in contradiction to your position, and why you constantly use logically fallacious arguments.
Another admission and prideful declaration of your own failings, with another topic directly addressed in previous replies.
Your positions are so weak, and so are you, that you want anyone that disagrees with you to commit suicide. Out of the preponderance of what lies in the heart, spills forth from the mouth. By your own words, you reveal yourself, and what lies in your heart is poison, hubris, vitriol, and unrighteous hatred.
To answer your demand: no. I will not. I do not acquiesce to your demands. I only answer to God, and you are not God.
I don't censor people who disagree with me. I don't report them. I don't block them. I engage them. Precisely for the reasons I mentioned previously, which you didn't read.
No it's not. You're not laughing. This angers you, deep down, which is why you keep replying. My responses anger you, which is why you became so hostile and vitriolic toward me, and why you've twice now told me to kill myself. Perhaps, if you get angry enough, something will actually snap in your head, and you might, by some miracle, be forced to self reflect and change. One can hope. But you don't show much promise in that hope.
Literally said I wasn't my dude. My responses have gotten pretty short, so its even more pathetic that you miss that much.
I reply to most everyone who replies to me. I've hit the response cap many, many times doing this in fact. Unless you think Gizortnik and Antonio are also super special and genius men, you stand among them in that regard. You aren't as special and smart as you think you are.
I tell you to kill yourself because I spent a lot of time on /b/ and that has warped my sense of humor in that direction. A cigar is just a cigar, my nigger.