Ukraine being frozen out of their own peace talks tells us two things:
This was almost entirely a proxy war between Russia and America. Zelensky, Nuland, Blinken, and Sullivan sacrificed untold Ukrainian lives in order to pursue their ethnic grievance against Russia.
Ukraine - and by extension, America - badly lost this war. If Ukrainians had even come close to making this a legitimate fight, there would be no grounds to deny them a seat at the table. But they got destroyed.
B-b-but listening to the mainstream media, Ukraine has been winning so much I would guess they already occupy 20% of Russia and not the other way around...
At this point I doubt Russia will be willing to withdraw from Eastern Ukraine in exhange of formal recognition of Crimea as Russia territory, and Ukraine abandoning all claims to it.
Ukraine being frozen out of their own peace talks tells us two things:
This was almost entirely a proxy war between Russia and America. Zelensky, Nuland, Blinken, and Sullivan sacrificed untold Ukrainian lives in order to pursue their ethnic grievance against Russia.
Ukraine - and by extension, America - badly lost this war. If Ukrainians had even come close to making this a legitimate fight, there would be no grounds to deny them a seat at the table. But they got destroyed.
B-b-but listening to the mainstream media, Ukraine has been winning so much I would guess they already occupy 20% of Russia and not the other way around...
At this point I doubt Russia will be willing to withdraw from Eastern Ukraine in exhange of formal recognition of Crimea as Russia territory, and Ukraine abandoning all claims to it.
And Ukraine refusing to give-up Crimea.
So how does that war end?