No, Israel is the main reason. The wars and destabilization of Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan are all directly connected to Israel. Maybe even Yemen.
Middle eastern instability goes waaay further back than the creation of Israel.
The Crusades were only successful because of the collapse of the Abbassid Caliphate into infighting. It's a trend amongst Islamic countries throughout history that they expand very rapidly and then fall apart to petty infighting and civil wars. It happened to the Umayyad Caliphate (which is what led to the survival of the Spanish Kingdoms and subsequent reqonquista), The Fatamids, even the Ottomans.
The game EUIV even had a mechanic to model this behaviour called the Decadance mechanic where political infighting, zealot uprisings and military coups become inevitable. It's just a staple of Islamic societies that they fall apart.
There's lots of reasons for it and some of it cultural, but Polygamy creates a large underclass of disenfranchised fighting aged men who turn to various forms of extremism, literally incels. Inbreeding lowers the IQ drastically. And the religion itself is intolerant and in perpetual schism with itself. Sunnies and Shia's hate eachother with a passion. And in turn they hate any other religion, and Islam is an invading force in every country it resides except for those in the Arabian peninsula, so there's a vast ethnic and cultural difference in those countries that further intensifies the problem.
Islamic countries have always been and will always be a shitshow basically.
I'm going to remind you that European countries were busy fighting eachother for centuries which is why the Ottoman Empire was able to conquer the Balkans in the first place. So infighting and instability before modern times wasn't exactly unique to the Arab world.
But we're talking about modern times and the instability since the fall of the Ottoman Empire has been directly caused by Israel as Israel does not want a stable Arab world that would be able to stand united against it. This is why Israel has waged war on all of its neighbors since the very beginning.
What you're saying about the Arab world is generally true but those are not the main reasons for the regions instability since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Most of the wars in the region in modern times involved significant outside meddling. The Arab Revolt that led to the fall of the Ottoman Empire happend because of British involvement. Israels creation happened because of the British selling Palestine to the Zionists. Every single war and victory of Israel was only possible because massive western support. The only reason why Israel can act the way it does is because of their stranglehold on the US government. Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, the Arab spring in general was all to the benefit of Israel.
Now what you're saying is still true. The Arabs are in general an inbred and culturally messed up people BUT Saddams Iraq was stable. Assads Syria was stable. Gadaffis Libya was stable and prospered. Afghanistan under the Taliban was stable even if you and I would've called it a religious shithole. Mubaraks Egypt was stable and fortunately is stable again after the military wiped out the Muslim brotherhood. Tunisia was also stable.
It doesn't matter if the Arab world is a shitshow. It only matters if it's a stable shitshow or not. Europe is a shitshow nowadays. The US is also a shitshow. But both still enjoy relative stability. Once that stability is gone you won't have a shitshow anymore but chaos.
Go and ask the Iraqis which they preferred. A violent but stable dictatorship under Saddam or the complete chaos that followed after the US carpet bombing of Iraq.
There's a difference in fighting eachother and repeatedly fighting civil wars and military coups. Medieval European societies were generally pretty stable, there are exceptions of course.
Arab societies can be stable but only under strongman governments like the ones you've mentioned and only for a generation at most, or until that strongman is gone.
If you assassinated a European leader the country wouldn't fracture into civil war and regional militias, but this does happen every single time in Islamic countries because of how the religion and cultures shape the society.
I'm not denying that the west has meddled in the middle east on behalf of Israel or other nefarious reasons and caused a shit show, but they merely sped up the inevitable shit show by a decade or so.
The Ottoman empire was being propped up by the European powers before the first world war to limit the expansion of Russia. Had it not been for Britain and France then the Ottomans would have blown up a hundred years earlier, it was suffering from rebellions in Egypt, Libya, the Balkans, it's own unpopular and unstable monarchy. Turkey only survives today as a unified state through the actions of ataturk, a weaker leader and Greece, Armenia, Georgia and Kurdistan would all be a lot larger and Turkey would likely not exist.
Again I'm not denying Israel is a destabilising influence on the region either, but without Israel the region would still be fighting itself, it's essentially the new Balkan powder keg.
There's a difference in fighting eachother and repeatedly fighting civil wars and military coups.
You had plenty of civil and religious wars in Europe, especially before modern times. And like I said many if not most of the recent civil wars and coups in the Arab world were instigated by outside forces.
but this does happen every single time in Islamic countries because of how the religion and cultures shape the society.
And because rebel groups are routinely supplied and propped up by several different players from the outside. Just look at Syria. You had Turkey backing HST, the US backing the Kurds, Russia backing Assad and Israel regularly bombing the shit out of Syria. Saudi Arabia was also involved. Then you had ISIS which isn't and never has been an organic Islamic group but was most likely created by the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia.
And this sort of meddling isn't unique to the Arab world either. It happened in South America and Asia too.
but without Israel the region would still be fighting itself
Like I already stated. There is a big difference between a shitshow and complete chaos. It doesn't matter if they fight eachother as long as the region remains stable as a whole.
And if we look back at Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc. before Israel and the West started instigating revolutions, coups or outright wars the Arab world was pretty stable as a whole.
In the end I don't give a shit if they fight eachother. Let them fight it out. Stop propping up Israel and don't get involved at all and you'll see the problem will fix itself very quickly.
You're talking to people who have a jew fetish, and blame them for everything no matter what. Don't bother explaining reality to them. They'll ignore you and keep seething about their inferiority complex.
Sure, I'm against all pacs and most immigration. Would you like to discuss all the white leftists funding this shit? Or all the black ones? How about the Hispanics?
No? You just want to seethe about the jews? Fuck off back to conpro.
No, Israel is the main reason. The wars and destabilization of Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan are all directly connected to Israel. Maybe even Yemen.
Middle eastern instability goes waaay further back than the creation of Israel. The Crusades were only successful because of the collapse of the Abbassid Caliphate into infighting. It's a trend amongst Islamic countries throughout history that they expand very rapidly and then fall apart to petty infighting and civil wars. It happened to the Umayyad Caliphate (which is what led to the survival of the Spanish Kingdoms and subsequent reqonquista), The Fatamids, even the Ottomans. The game EUIV even had a mechanic to model this behaviour called the Decadance mechanic where political infighting, zealot uprisings and military coups become inevitable. It's just a staple of Islamic societies that they fall apart. There's lots of reasons for it and some of it cultural, but Polygamy creates a large underclass of disenfranchised fighting aged men who turn to various forms of extremism, literally incels. Inbreeding lowers the IQ drastically. And the religion itself is intolerant and in perpetual schism with itself. Sunnies and Shia's hate eachother with a passion. And in turn they hate any other religion, and Islam is an invading force in every country it resides except for those in the Arabian peninsula, so there's a vast ethnic and cultural difference in those countries that further intensifies the problem. Islamic countries have always been and will always be a shitshow basically.
I'm going to remind you that European countries were busy fighting eachother for centuries which is why the Ottoman Empire was able to conquer the Balkans in the first place. So infighting and instability before modern times wasn't exactly unique to the Arab world.
But we're talking about modern times and the instability since the fall of the Ottoman Empire has been directly caused by Israel as Israel does not want a stable Arab world that would be able to stand united against it. This is why Israel has waged war on all of its neighbors since the very beginning.
What you're saying about the Arab world is generally true but those are not the main reasons for the regions instability since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Most of the wars in the region in modern times involved significant outside meddling. The Arab Revolt that led to the fall of the Ottoman Empire happend because of British involvement. Israels creation happened because of the British selling Palestine to the Zionists. Every single war and victory of Israel was only possible because massive western support. The only reason why Israel can act the way it does is because of their stranglehold on the US government. Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, the Arab spring in general was all to the benefit of Israel.
Now what you're saying is still true. The Arabs are in general an inbred and culturally messed up people BUT Saddams Iraq was stable. Assads Syria was stable. Gadaffis Libya was stable and prospered. Afghanistan under the Taliban was stable even if you and I would've called it a religious shithole. Mubaraks Egypt was stable and fortunately is stable again after the military wiped out the Muslim brotherhood. Tunisia was also stable.
It doesn't matter if the Arab world is a shitshow. It only matters if it's a stable shitshow or not. Europe is a shitshow nowadays. The US is also a shitshow. But both still enjoy relative stability. Once that stability is gone you won't have a shitshow anymore but chaos.
Go and ask the Iraqis which they preferred. A violent but stable dictatorship under Saddam or the complete chaos that followed after the US carpet bombing of Iraq.
There's a difference in fighting eachother and repeatedly fighting civil wars and military coups. Medieval European societies were generally pretty stable, there are exceptions of course. Arab societies can be stable but only under strongman governments like the ones you've mentioned and only for a generation at most, or until that strongman is gone. If you assassinated a European leader the country wouldn't fracture into civil war and regional militias, but this does happen every single time in Islamic countries because of how the religion and cultures shape the society. I'm not denying that the west has meddled in the middle east on behalf of Israel or other nefarious reasons and caused a shit show, but they merely sped up the inevitable shit show by a decade or so. The Ottoman empire was being propped up by the European powers before the first world war to limit the expansion of Russia. Had it not been for Britain and France then the Ottomans would have blown up a hundred years earlier, it was suffering from rebellions in Egypt, Libya, the Balkans, it's own unpopular and unstable monarchy. Turkey only survives today as a unified state through the actions of ataturk, a weaker leader and Greece, Armenia, Georgia and Kurdistan would all be a lot larger and Turkey would likely not exist. Again I'm not denying Israel is a destabilising influence on the region either, but without Israel the region would still be fighting itself, it's essentially the new Balkan powder keg.
You had plenty of civil and religious wars in Europe, especially before modern times. And like I said many if not most of the recent civil wars and coups in the Arab world were instigated by outside forces.
And because rebel groups are routinely supplied and propped up by several different players from the outside. Just look at Syria. You had Turkey backing HST, the US backing the Kurds, Russia backing Assad and Israel regularly bombing the shit out of Syria. Saudi Arabia was also involved. Then you had ISIS which isn't and never has been an organic Islamic group but was most likely created by the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia.
And this sort of meddling isn't unique to the Arab world either. It happened in South America and Asia too.
Like I already stated. There is a big difference between a shitshow and complete chaos. It doesn't matter if they fight eachother as long as the region remains stable as a whole. And if we look back at Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc. before Israel and the West started instigating revolutions, coups or outright wars the Arab world was pretty stable as a whole.
In the end I don't give a shit if they fight eachother. Let them fight it out. Stop propping up Israel and don't get involved at all and you'll see the problem will fix itself very quickly.
"Inbreeding lowers the IQ drastically."
Thanks. Most people don't know the Enlightenment is largely due to the Church banning cousin marriages.
Jewish semites have the same issues as their Muslim cousins. Only European Jews mixed enough to not suffer too much from inbreeding. Or am I wrong?
You're talking to people who have a jew fetish, and blame them for everything no matter what. Don't bother explaining reality to them. They'll ignore you and keep seething about their inferiority complex.
Good day ghostfox1_. Would you like to talk about the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society?
Sure, I'm against all pacs and most immigration. Would you like to discuss all the white leftists funding this shit? Or all the black ones? How about the Hispanics?
No? You just want to seethe about the jews? Fuck off back to conpro.