Live service isn't the problem as look at Helldivers 2, the MANAGEMENT is the issue as they're full of braindead LA hires focused on DEI and short term gains.
Everyone with a braincell could see the reaction forcing PSN on PC players would cause or how much of a flop Concord would be, management needs a purge then taken back to Japan.
That's that anti cheat system isn't it? I'm just talking about the fact they almost had a community built up around it like early Overwatch or R6 Siege but they fucked it up with horrible management decisions.
There is literally nothing about Helldivers 2 that makes it better than L4D a decade and a half prior. Every part that makes it "live service" is either superfluous or designed to milk money from people for something that would have been included in the game a decade prior as more unlockables.
Just because they are better about it than 90% of the others doesn't make it not still garbage.
And tomorrow I could pull out a random old 360 and a copy of the game and still play it just fine with my bro without a single hiccup. Something not a single Live Service game can offer.
yeah look at cs2. tons of content is missing compared to csgo, and while the majority of people doesn't play that type of content it's still missed.especially when you consider that valve killed csgo and you can no longer play it
Helldivers has been successful, but it remains to he seen how profitable it will be if they have to keep pumping money into it.
Fact is, there are signs that consumer demand, especially among older gamers (those of us with jobs who have our own money to spend), is shifting back towards single-release games that don't require perpetual internet connections and never-ending patches and updates.
It's also just a measure of opportunity cost. I personally have only a few hours per week to spend on gaming nowadays, and I'd much rather spend those hours making progress in a campaign, playing something familiar with my friends or trying out one new title than wasting time on constantly having to relearn or readjust to a new meta in a game I've already been playing that already wasn't very good.
On top of that, younger gamers are more and more interested in mobile games, or in a small number of MMOs like Fortnite that they can play with their friends. Saturating the market with new projects that require enormous sunk costs to maintain live service is simply a waste of money given the near-zero likelihood that such a game is going to become the Next Big Thing. And if it doesn't, then nobody will play it, even if it's good.
Helldivers 2 is a raging anticonsumer dumpster fire, don't even try to defend it.
Forced always online DRM for a peer to peer game, plus an anticheat so bad it's functionally malware. All of this plus developer incompetence led to weeks of people being unable to play a PEER TO PEER 4 PLAYER COOP GAME because the servers that only exist to AUTHENTICATE MICROTRANSACTION CURRENCY IN A PAID GAME weren't up to snuff.
And that's before all the discord faggotry and balance issues.
Fuck that game, and fuck arrowhead. If you want to shoot bugs, deep rock galactic and earth defense force are better.
Live service isn't the problem as look at Helldivers 2, the MANAGEMENT is the issue as they're full of braindead LA hires focused on DEI and short term gains.
Everyone with a braincell could see the reaction forcing PSN on PC players would cause or how much of a flop Concord would be, management needs a purge then taken back to Japan.
That's that anti cheat system isn't it? I'm just talking about the fact they almost had a community built up around it like early Overwatch or R6 Siege but they fucked it up with horrible management decisions.
There is literally nothing about Helldivers 2 that makes it better than L4D a decade and a half prior. Every part that makes it "live service" is either superfluous or designed to milk money from people for something that would have been included in the game a decade prior as more unlockables.
Just because they are better about it than 90% of the others doesn't make it not still garbage.
And tomorrow I could pull out a random old 360 and a copy of the game and still play it just fine with my bro without a single hiccup. Something not a single Live Service game can offer.
Or l4d3 replaces lfd2 like how lfd2 replaced lfd1. Basically combines the previous games under 1 new game.
Honestly.. probably dont want sequels or remakes of any valve games at this point. Gonna be pozzed or content removes for not being pc.
yeah look at cs2. tons of content is missing compared to csgo, and while the majority of people doesn't play that type of content it's still missed.especially when you consider that valve killed csgo and you can no longer play it
Helldivers has been successful, but it remains to he seen how profitable it will be if they have to keep pumping money into it.
Fact is, there are signs that consumer demand, especially among older gamers (those of us with jobs who have our own money to spend), is shifting back towards single-release games that don't require perpetual internet connections and never-ending patches and updates.
Probably because we've been burned too many times with live service games.
There will be a few that exist but like MMOs and Warcraft when it was relevant, they'll be the exemption than the rule.
It's also just a measure of opportunity cost. I personally have only a few hours per week to spend on gaming nowadays, and I'd much rather spend those hours making progress in a campaign, playing something familiar with my friends or trying out one new title than wasting time on constantly having to relearn or readjust to a new meta in a game I've already been playing that already wasn't very good.
On top of that, younger gamers are more and more interested in mobile games, or in a small number of MMOs like Fortnite that they can play with their friends. Saturating the market with new projects that require enormous sunk costs to maintain live service is simply a waste of money given the near-zero likelihood that such a game is going to become the Next Big Thing. And if it doesn't, then nobody will play it, even if it's good.
Give with me dedicated servers and mod tools. If you have that a game is basically immortal.
Helldivers 2 is a raging anticonsumer dumpster fire, don't even try to defend it.
Forced always online DRM for a peer to peer game, plus an anticheat so bad it's functionally malware. All of this plus developer incompetence led to weeks of people being unable to play a PEER TO PEER 4 PLAYER COOP GAME because the servers that only exist to AUTHENTICATE MICROTRANSACTION CURRENCY IN A PAID GAME weren't up to snuff.
And that's before all the discord faggotry and balance issues.
Fuck that game, and fuck arrowhead. If you want to shoot bugs, deep rock galactic and earth defense force are better.