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Trump Executive Order ends birthright citizenship (twitter.com)
posted 1 year ago by SophiesBoyfriend 1 year ago by SophiesBoyfriend +147 / -0
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– MargarineMongoose 55 points 1 year ago +55 / -0

The offspring of invaders don't get to claim citizenship? Great. How on earth did it take us this long to address this?

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– YesMovement 16 points 1 year ago +16 / -0

It's in the constitution so this might not stick.

But if it holds then Canada will be the only country with birthright citizenship, a stupid concept.

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– Guy_Incognito76 20 points 1 year ago +20 / -0

The 14th amendment made all former slaves into citizens.

Since there are no more slaves, it doesn't apply.

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– YesMovement 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

There's no time limit on the amendment or any wording suggesting it only applies to slaves.

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– Guy_Incognito76 11 points 1 year ago +11 / -0

Because it's obvious? It's purpose was to stop confederate states from denying citizenship to freed slaves. That's it.

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– BeefyBelisarius 10 points 1 year ago +10 / -0

Yes, but also no. The authors of the 14th amendment were very clear with the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" part that it didn't apply to the children of citizens of other countries. Later activist judges chose to ignore the explanations the authors gave when ratification was being debated and simply aggressively misinterpret it instead. The inevitable SC case on this EO will be interesting.

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– DwydeShrude 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

i have some confidence with the current SCOTUS having revoked Roe v Wade, they might rule in Trump's favor.

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– GiveThemNothing 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

The offspring of invaders don't get to claim citizenship? Great. How on earth did it take us this long to address this?

Should have done in back in 1492!

More seriously, won't stand, Jus Solis is at the very foundation of our nation, and it is embedded in the US Constitution (14th, Birthright Clause).

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– Ahaus667 25 points 1 year ago +25 / -0

How is an amendment made under the suspension of the Constitution “at the very foundation of our nation”? Remember the south was FORCED to ratify the 14th to regain congressional representation, that blatantly violated the 9th and 10th amendments. In reality the post war amendments were done in blatant disregard of the constitution, just as Lincoln had no problem waiving the constitution and suspending habeus corpus to get his way.

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– GiveThemNothing 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

The 14th codifies in the US Constitution what was the Common Law consensus. Born in US soil -> Natural born US citizen.

You can't define a nation if you have no legal definition of who your citizens are.

Congress can of course change what that definition is, but it can't be done by royal decree.

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– Ahaus667 14 points 1 year ago +14 / -0

Completely false. The 1790 naturalization act completely obliterates that argument

The act also provided that children born abroad when both parents are US citizens "shall be considered as natural born citizens", but specified that the right of citizenship did "not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States".This act was the only US statute ever to use the term "natural born citizen", found in the US Constitution concerning the prerequisites for a person to serve as president or vice president, and the Naturalization Act of 1795 removed the term.

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– RumorControl 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

How handy it is then that we have a President to use Executive Authority and not a King. No King, no Royal Decree.

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– BeefyBelisarius 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Wrong, jus sanguinis is at the foundation. Jus soli was added much later, and written specifically to only apply to people without citizenship in other countries, like slaves and injuns.

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– deleted 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

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