I mean, I resisted too. Lost a job over it. It was rough, but I'm glad I did. Sadly, I saw the trouble and weight that it put on my family members that tried and couldn't resist. I truly feel sorry for them. Those types of people are victims. Not everyone can make a stand, though they wanted to.
Bravado away, I was nervous. I doubted myself at times and wondered if it was worth it, because it wasn't just me that my choice effected. And in retrospect I've been vindicated. But I have a lot of empathy for those that wanted to resist and caved. Because I was there myself. And I thank God that I didn't cave, but I don't blame others that struggled and ultimately did. I blame every single person that put that pressure on them to ensure they caved. Every politician. Every employers. Every coworker, neighbour, or family member that guilted and pressured and fearmongered those around them to cave. Those are the people that I hate.
There was never a better time to get fired than during Covid. Read that again. My sister dared them to do it and they did. Then she collected $700/week from unemployment and was approved for food stamps under "emergency criteria" to stay home with her family. She saved up over $22k, that's how much money and assistance she was getting. She later sued and they settled out of court.
People like you and yours were afraid because you're ignorant of labor laws, you're ignorant of contract law, you don't know your own Rights, and you're even more timid about suing employers. Another family member knew he was going to be laid off. I told him to sue his employer for insufficient compensation BEFORE they did; you can't fire an employee while there's legal action pending, as doing so is seen as retaliation. Well, his entire department was let go, except for him. They put him on paid leave until he withdrew his case a few months later.
Americans bitch about losing, yet they never bother to learn the rules of the game. There was NEVER a better time to get fired than during Covid!
I'm gonna say it's a bit different when it's choosing to lose a job and lose a career path.
It's also different when it's in Australia. Plenty of benefits while unemployed. Not so much in recourses after the fact considering how abysmal the legal system is for victims of just about anything unless it's class action level. It's less about being timid and simply knowing that the laws here simply don't exist like they do in America. And don't forget about how our police were treating us at the time. It was easy to allow fear to take hold a little.
And frankly, you're speaking in hindsight. At the time, shit was up in the air. I don't care about how I now know without a doubt that I made the right decision and have pursued what I can and looked into more that went nowhere. At the time, there was some really dangerous levels of rhetoric coming from the state about complying. Like I said, it's bravado aside. I can sit here and bullshit about how easy it is to throw away what was up until that point your life, but I'd be saying that in hindsight of doing it after the fact and having pieced the parts that fell apart back together. At the time, it wasn't all roses and sunshine. It was frustrating. It was challenging. It wasn't fun. But it was worth it. Because you're right, it was to defend/ensure/exercise my rights. That's always worth it. But I'm not going to sit here and devolve into machismo to say that it was a piece of cake. I wish I didn't have to go through that, even if it's made me better and I made the right choices.
People like you and yours were afraid because you're ignorant of labor laws, you're ignorant of contract law, you don't know your own Rights
The people the military that were discharged have no recompense, even after the feds lost a lawsuit and were prohibited from mandating the vaccine or taking derogatory personnel actions against those who refused.
Those that got kicked out before the court ruling did not get their jobs back, will not be receiving a monetary settlement, and lost all the vesting they had towards their retirement unless they already had 20 years in.
Yes, but that's a different situation when you contract with the government. Generally speaking, nobody should hesitate to sue an employer if your lawyer agrees you have a case. Most of those cases are settled out of court and if they fire you soon after, you'll have another case for retaliation.
I mean, I resisted too. Lost a job over it. It was rough, but I'm glad I did. Sadly, I saw the trouble and weight that it put on my family members that tried and couldn't resist. I truly feel sorry for them. Those types of people are victims. Not everyone can make a stand, though they wanted to.
Bravado away, I was nervous. I doubted myself at times and wondered if it was worth it, because it wasn't just me that my choice effected. And in retrospect I've been vindicated. But I have a lot of empathy for those that wanted to resist and caved. Because I was there myself. And I thank God that I didn't cave, but I don't blame others that struggled and ultimately did. I blame every single person that put that pressure on them to ensure they caved. Every politician. Every employers. Every coworker, neighbour, or family member that guilted and pressured and fearmongered those around them to cave. Those are the people that I hate.
There was never a better time to get fired than during Covid. Read that again. My sister dared them to do it and they did. Then she collected $700/week from unemployment and was approved for food stamps under "emergency criteria" to stay home with her family. She saved up over $22k, that's how much money and assistance she was getting. She later sued and they settled out of court.
People like you and yours were afraid because you're ignorant of labor laws, you're ignorant of contract law, you don't know your own Rights, and you're even more timid about suing employers. Another family member knew he was going to be laid off. I told him to sue his employer for insufficient compensation BEFORE they did; you can't fire an employee while there's legal action pending, as doing so is seen as retaliation. Well, his entire department was let go, except for him. They put him on paid leave until he withdrew his case a few months later.
Americans bitch about losing, yet they never bother to learn the rules of the game. There was NEVER a better time to get fired than during Covid!
I'm gonna say it's a bit different when it's choosing to lose a job and lose a career path.
It's also different when it's in Australia. Plenty of benefits while unemployed. Not so much in recourses after the fact considering how abysmal the legal system is for victims of just about anything unless it's class action level. It's less about being timid and simply knowing that the laws here simply don't exist like they do in America. And don't forget about how our police were treating us at the time. It was easy to allow fear to take hold a little.
And frankly, you're speaking in hindsight. At the time, shit was up in the air. I don't care about how I now know without a doubt that I made the right decision and have pursued what I can and looked into more that went nowhere. At the time, there was some really dangerous levels of rhetoric coming from the state about complying. Like I said, it's bravado aside. I can sit here and bullshit about how easy it is to throw away what was up until that point your life, but I'd be saying that in hindsight of doing it after the fact and having pieced the parts that fell apart back together. At the time, it wasn't all roses and sunshine. It was frustrating. It was challenging. It wasn't fun. But it was worth it. Because you're right, it was to defend/ensure/exercise my rights. That's always worth it. But I'm not going to sit here and devolve into machismo to say that it was a piece of cake. I wish I didn't have to go through that, even if it's made me better and I made the right choices.
Ah! That's all you had to say, buddy.
The people the military that were discharged have no recompense, even after the feds lost a lawsuit and were prohibited from mandating the vaccine or taking derogatory personnel actions against those who refused.
Those that got kicked out before the court ruling did not get their jobs back, will not be receiving a monetary settlement, and lost all the vesting they had towards their retirement unless they already had 20 years in.
That was a tough choice
Yes, but that's a different situation when you contract with the government. Generally speaking, nobody should hesitate to sue an employer if your lawyer agrees you have a case. Most of those cases are settled out of court and if they fire you soon after, you'll have another case for retaliation.
... I guess that's how we go from a high-trust society to a low trust one.