All I can tell you is that, like the JFK assassination, the part that people are allowed to focus on is the part that obviously matches the mainstream narrative.
Ain't no thermite. Building 7 was badly damaged. Yes lightpoles got clipped from Flight 77.
Now, the part where FBI Agent Rick Riscola was fired from the FBI for pursuing the Al-Qaeda investigation and he was so certain of a return attack that he was hired on as head of security at Morgan Chase and given control of the entire WTC complex, and was last seen alive on the 80th floor directing thousands of people out of the building while singing "Men of Harlech"? They don't talk about that. They don't talk about how the CIA was fully aware of the movements of the perpetrators. They don't talk about how the monetary funds were tracked. They don't talk about how the FBI had liaisons assigned to the CIA's observation team and didn't attempt to make any arrests. They don't talk about how the NSA was literally harassing both the FBI and CIA for months leading up to the attacks, stating that it was the largest attack that AQ had ever planned with the largest chatter they had ever seen. They don't talk about the fact that that same story can be repeated for almost all of the military intelligence agencies who were depending on federal law enforcement to do literally anything.
Those are the parts that don't get talked about enough.
Same reason everybody is allowed to talk about Dealy plaza, and not the fact that Lee Harvey Oswold was a notorious Communist agitator who was employed by the Soviet Union and that if that information had been well known, it would have resulted in Nuclear War. Nor that the best evidence of an LBJ coup comes from the ATC tapes of his staffers screaming at white house staffers over a connected phone line through ATC, which also involved LBJ staffers storming into the White House, dumping shit off desks, and getting into fist fights with Kennedy staffers.
Don't forget John O'Neil predicting they were going to use a plane for some sort of attack because of his intelligence from Al Qaeda only to get fired because his briefcase with secret documents suddenly went missing and the FBI conveniently had justification after that.
I don't think being a "truther" and believing islamists were involved are mutually exclusive. Even if they were put up to it and/or ignored by the US/Israeli governments, they ought to be punished
Is your definition of truther "there is some fuckery about and they are hiding some shit?" If so then yeah most people would probably fall under that label here, because only a fucking moron would believe 100% of the government's claim on anything.
No, that's just common sense. My definition is the spectrum from the fairly intelligent "the USG intentionally let it happen" to "the planes were holograms and the passengers were taken to a military base to be shot".
That's a spectrum so wide that its literally useless as a metric.
Just as soon list "people who believe the JFK assassination wasn't exactly as told" under the same insulting umbrella label as "believes that JFK shot himself due to quantum mechanics."
Perhaps. To be clear, I wasn't classifying what you said (not believing everything in the govt account) as in the truther category, only people who believe they intentionally let it happen.
As far as I can see, most truthers seem to belong in the stupid category, though not quite as stupid as the example I gave. The 'jet fuel steel beams' crowd.
Wait, aren't 95% of people here 9/11 truthers?
All I can tell you is that, like the JFK assassination, the part that people are allowed to focus on is the part that obviously matches the mainstream narrative.
Ain't no thermite. Building 7 was badly damaged. Yes lightpoles got clipped from Flight 77.
Now, the part where FBI Agent Rick Riscola was fired from the FBI for pursuing the Al-Qaeda investigation and he was so certain of a return attack that he was hired on as head of security at Morgan Chase and given control of the entire WTC complex, and was last seen alive on the 80th floor directing thousands of people out of the building while singing "Men of Harlech"? They don't talk about that. They don't talk about how the CIA was fully aware of the movements of the perpetrators. They don't talk about how the monetary funds were tracked. They don't talk about how the FBI had liaisons assigned to the CIA's observation team and didn't attempt to make any arrests. They don't talk about how the NSA was literally harassing both the FBI and CIA for months leading up to the attacks, stating that it was the largest attack that AQ had ever planned with the largest chatter they had ever seen. They don't talk about the fact that that same story can be repeated for almost all of the military intelligence agencies who were depending on federal law enforcement to do literally anything.
Those are the parts that don't get talked about enough.
Same reason everybody is allowed to talk about Dealy plaza, and not the fact that Lee Harvey Oswold was a notorious Communist agitator who was employed by the Soviet Union and that if that information had been well known, it would have resulted in Nuclear War. Nor that the best evidence of an LBJ coup comes from the ATC tapes of his staffers screaming at white house staffers over a connected phone line through ATC, which also involved LBJ staffers storming into the White House, dumping shit off desks, and getting into fist fights with Kennedy staffers.
Don't forget John O'Neil predicting they were going to use a plane for some sort of attack because of his intelligence from Al Qaeda only to get fired because his briefcase with secret documents suddenly went missing and the FBI conveniently had justification after that.
I don't think being a "truther" and believing islamists were involved are mutually exclusive. Even if they were put up to it and/or ignored by the US/Israeli governments, they ought to be punished
Is your definition of truther "there is some fuckery about and they are hiding some shit?" If so then yeah most people would probably fall under that label here, because only a fucking moron would believe 100% of the government's claim on anything.
No, that's just common sense. My definition is the spectrum from the fairly intelligent "the USG intentionally let it happen" to "the planes were holograms and the passengers were taken to a military base to be shot".
That's a spectrum so wide that its literally useless as a metric.
Just as soon list "people who believe the JFK assassination wasn't exactly as told" under the same insulting umbrella label as "believes that JFK shot himself due to quantum mechanics."
Perhaps. To be clear, I wasn't classifying what you said (not believing everything in the govt account) as in the truther category, only people who believe they intentionally let it happen.
As far as I can see, most truthers seem to belong in the stupid category, though not quite as stupid as the example I gave. The 'jet fuel steel beams' crowd.
That was a great episode of Red Dwarf!
Wait, aren't you a communist tranny loving faggot?
Tranny loving? I'm sure you can substantiate that.