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Again and again. The issue with the VP is that they can be cut off, but it doesn't mean they will be. The utility of a VP is that they have a massive staff to handle alternate issues.
Here's a good example of what should have happened on October 7th. Israel gets attacked by a major terrorist attack. This is bad, but how wide spread is it. Is it just Hamas, or is it a combined irregular warfare operation at multiple targets coordinated by Iran? How far are they getting, how far will they get, what are the markets doing, will Israel launch nukes if some specific thing happens, are government ministers being attacked? At a certain point, the President has to say, "This shit is so serious it requires all of my attention." At that point, he goes to the VP and says, "Normal everyday business: you handle it. I can't worry about anything outside this crisis until nuclear retaliation is off the table. Grant proposals, award ceremonies, negotiations, trade deals, you handle all of it until I'm ready."
In a good situation, the VP and the POTUS are on a 1:1 field and the VP is in regular meetings, and knows when to step in and step off. They should be providing an alternative perspective while having the same agenda. It's actually an important role if you make it one.
However, if you just picked someone for the votes, they become useless because they don't do anything but stand around and look pretty. If that.
If that's the case, then you have to work with what you have.
So when Biden gave her the border, that was her chance to really step up. She didn't do shit because she realized he handed her a shit sandwich he didn't want to take the fall for. She still could have done something and instead she didn't do shit.
When your boss hands you a bad job, you still have to try and make it work.
If not, then fucking resign.
You're describing how high school clubs work.
This is the federal government.
You're ignoring the CIA, the NSA, the donors, the wealthy news company owners, foreign governments, and really everything else that competes for time and attention.
It's not two people sitting in a room and doing civics class "good government" bullshit. why would you even want that?
What are you talking about? Delegation of authority is universal at every level leadership. I've literally been in these events where the C-Suite would have a 10-hour continual meeting to rapidly address a major problem while the VP was tasked with handling every-day tasks.
How big was the company then? Does it have anywhere near the dynamics of the institution you're attempting to compare it to? Was it even publicly held?
I obviously can't get into that. Why do you think something as universal as the delegation of duties doesn't exist at scale? The opposite is true. It exists at scale to a point where it becomes imperative.
I think his point is that Biden is far more likely to hand operations over to the NSA or some other bureaucrat rather than Kamala Retard Harris, and probably did do just that for his entire tenure
Yeah, sure, but he's not explaining it that way.
Now you're right in your assessment, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you, effectively, want a CO to have an XO; and for that XO to take your place on certain matters.
Sure, but that's an issue with who he has around him to delegate it to, not with the concept of delegation in general. And of course in this hypothetical Biden isn't handing it off to "The NSA" in some nebulous way where every NSA staffer gets a note from Biden. He's handing it off to the director of the NSA who's then putting other staff members on it and so on. It's still delegation to an individual, and it's still delegation that could or should involve a competent VP if such an individual were in the equation. Obviously, u/Gizortnik was not suggesting that the VP would personally handle everything without anyone else being involved, and yet the impression is that the objection was to exactly that idea.
The way u/akira2501 has written his objection it comes off as thinking that these agencies are a literal hive mind where you give an order to every member of the agency at the same time, or objecting to the idea of executive officers in any capacity, or some other strange thing like that.
Literal shitty example of this from the Game of Thrones books, Tyrion was put in charge of the sewers of Casterly Rock by his father as yet another attempted humiliation. Tyrion being the mad and petty genius that his is got the sewers running better than they ever had been.
Yeah, basically. What's crazy is that just like the border, if you can get a sewer running well, you're going to make everyone's life a hundred times better. That's actually a pretty common theme in shit jobs.
Imagine how much garbage Trump will be able to remove from the government with his experience in the field.