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posted 1 year ago by btbw 1 year ago by btbw +81 / -0
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– horstshort 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0

Poland was at war with Ukraine, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Germany and the Soviet Union during the interim period. You can pretend that all of them were defensive wars but Józef Piłsudski wasn't exactly known for his non-expansionist views.

It was such an enemy to it's neighbors that all of it's neighbors that weren't Russia and Germany signed a mutual non-aggression treaty called the Warsaw Accord.

Neither Lithuania nor Czechoslovakia signed it. Finland, Latvia and Estonia weren't and still aren't direct neighbors and weren't involved in wars with Poland.

Finland didn't sign the treaty because Germany pressured them not to

Finland isn't a neighbor of Poland and had no reason to sign that accord. The Fins didn't want to align with the Baltics. Germany at the time had absolutely no leverage to pressure anyone into anything. They couldn't even stop Poland from annexing Upper Silesia.

Germany didn't want peace breaking out in Eastern Europe

Like I already stated Germany was incapable of doing anything at the time. The economy was in the toilet, the military basically non-existent, partially occupied and was actively being bled dry by the Treaty of Versailles.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Like I already stated Germany was incapable of doing anything at the time. The economy was in the toilet, the military basically non-existent, partially occupied and was actively being bled dry by the Treaty of Versailles.

You're crying about the scramble for territory with the fall of the Russian Empire, and you ignore Germany's aggression for it's German unification movement, along with the Bolsheviks invasion of all of Eastern Europe, and you ignore the major German military effort in response to that very action because "Germany was incapable of doing anything". idiocy.

Germany has never been incapable of doing anything. That's actually kind of the problem with them.

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– horstshort 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

and you ignore Germany's aggression for it's German unification movement

What exactly are you talking about? There was no German aggression during the Weimar Republic.

along with the Bolsheviks invasion of all of Eastern Europe

But I don't ignore it. Neither did Hitler. That's why he wanted an alliance with Poland and the rest of Europe against the Soviet Union as he was very aware of the threat the Bolsheviks posed. That's why he invaded in 1941. To eliminate that threat before it couldn't be stopped anymore.

and you ignore the major German military effort in response to that very action because "Germany was incapable of doing anything"

Okay, tell me of that "major German military effort" during the Weimar Republic. Because I know of none. It is kinda difficult to do much with a little over 100k soldiers and no heavy equipment to speak of while your most important industrial region is occupied by hostile forces.

Germany has never been incapable of doing anything. That's actually kind of the problem with them.

You seem to have a serious hate boner for Germany. Are you Polish by any chance? That would at least explain it.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

You don't know anything about the German Unification movement, so you try deflect to Weimar. I'm not even sure you've heard of it. You don't know anything about the Interwar Period, so you assume that the German government just never involved itself in those wars taking place to it's immediate east. Because you don't know anything about the Interwar Period, you are assuming there wasn't a damn good reason why the Poles didn't tolerate a German """"alliance""". Here's a hint: it's for the same reason Stalin shouldn't have tolerated a German """alliance""".

I don't have a hate boner for Germany, I just don't take every piece of Nazi propaganda as gospel truth. You're not even historically equipped to talk about this.

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– horstshort 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

You're not even historically equipped to talk about this.

Fortunately I have you to teach me. Unfortunately you're one of those individuals who refuse to bring forth any arguments backed up with anything.

If with "German Unification movement" you mean the desire to get their own lost territories back, that wasn't a movement. That was a universal desire. Which isn't exactly surprising.

Also I never said that the Weimar Republic never involved themselves. I said they were incapable of doing anything. To be fair I should've added "of significance" to that statement but I guess I thought the context made that clear. Germany wasn't a position to economically or militarily influence anything. That's why the conflict in Oberschlesien involved the Freikorps and not the Reichswehr. It's also one of the reasons why Hitler was elected in the first place.

But if you wanna pretend Poland is just a poor victim who dindu nuthing and isn't responsible for her own stupidity and was always just bullied by the big bad mean Germans and Russians, okay, I won't press you further on it as you're not interested in an honest discussion.

you are assuming there wasn't a damn good reason why the Poles didn't tolerate a German """"alliance""".

And look how that turned out for Poland. You'd think at that point you'd ask yourself what could I've done better to avert such an outcome but nah. Better blame everyone else.

Here's a hint: it's for the same reason Stalin shouldn't have tolerated a German """alliance""".

Oh, he didn't. He just underestimated Hitler and couldn't fathom that he would fuck up his plans. Stalin created the by far largest standing army in the entire world by sacrificing millions of Russian lives for a reason. And here's a hint: That reason wasn't defense.

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