haven't you gotten with the times, old man? we're supposed to give up women and accelerate the genocide of our people to make room for the africans who pump out 15 kids each. won't you think of your finances?
Most young whites don't have the money to pump out and maintain kids, along with having to deal with women broken by feminism and socialist policies. You're asking the white male youth to game a system that has every single card stacked against them while giving the minorities all the benefits. Unless violence breaks out and the system collapses, not much is going to change that at this point
It's a severe logical failing of tradcons and oldfucks. A lot of tards not understanding the current system and that Men are not willing to martyr themselves for a society not worth giving back to.
Same problem Japan has had for over a generation now. No incentive. Combination of laws and economics (zombie economy / weak currency) along with mild overpopulation and cultural decay (both female behavior and easy access to sexual release), there's no incentive for men to get hitched and reproduce. The Diet tried throwing money at people to have children, but it's just not working. Globalists are aiming to take advantage of that and slip in immigration.
Kids are as expensive as you make them and there still are good women out there, but you need to search. Congrats on your faggot blackpills though I guess
if nothing is worth it, everything is fucked, and you're a mistake and any kids you bring into the world would be a mistake, how does that lead to you trying to spread any sort of ideology? why aren't you just blowing your next salary on a lethal hit of heroin and making it out feeling as good as you can, if that is your end goal?
the "severe logical failing" is on your part when you try to pretend that you have all the answers while at the same time insisting your very existence is the wrong answer. worse yet, you specify White people, which means you're either violently suicidal and should be locked up (or given your desire) or you're a non-White trying to tell us not to have kids, which means you're just more subversive, cowardly scum of the earth that'll have to be cleaned up later. which is it?
I'm not an anti-natalist, nor do I do drugs or liquor.
I want a wife and kids, but I look at everything and I don't see it being worth the risk as of right now. The social contract is mostly in ruin, demographics are a destiny that is not being undone, and society is morally fighting the pendulum in different directions. And then the other things I mentioned above. True Men analyze risk and then take the risk if they see or believe to be any benefit to it. Running into things blindly is how you end up dead or destitute. Barring a collapse and rebuild, I personally don't see it worth the risk or the effort.
worse yet, you specify White people
I specify White people because some of you shitheads here are practically demanding every single White person in our "tribe" pop out kids, as if it will save the Western nations. You have no concept of history and racial totalitarianism won't save us. Civilization cycles and it's slowly heading for the downswing, barring a Reformation.
Addendum: I'm not going to stop you from living life the way you want to, but I will confront you on telling others how they should live it.
I think we can bridge this gap. It's probably the biggest one on the right besides the JQ and i think it's a completely fair one.
Prepare for overwrought navel gazing.
The right advocates for capital C Civilization and individual dignity which is distinct from "freedom" as the neo-liberals define it. Do what thou wilt is of thr devil and that's been well established.
Civilization depends on and demands healthy families to build itself around. Going volcel undermines the fabric of society thay makes our eventual galactic empire possible.
Human dignity demands thay not be beholden to anybody without compensation that is equitable. Marriage is fundamentally NOT that for men.
So you have a situation where the two core tenants of positive existence are forced into opposition.
I'm one to believe that's by design but whatever.
I'm married, quite happy. Wouldn't change a thing and I fully intent to advise my children not to marry except in very specific circumstances.
The problem for most is that the advice for how to marry is highly unpopular AND something you can NEVER EVER tell anybody especially a woman.
Here are the requirements:
You must marry young
You must marry while poor.
You must marry somebody poorer than you OR someone in a genuinely bad family/personal situation.
I've talked about this before, but you HAVE TO do them. If you miss any, especially 1. Your danger % jumps wicked high.
To me it's a bit like being raised by a single mom. Statistical choices, if you can avoid the worst ones you'll be better off.
They don't want to bridge the gap because they're feminist shills in white nationalist skin suits. Your advice is the best there is if you want to try family life in the West, but it's telling that they're more interested in trying to shame other men into their miserable lifestyle than doing what's necessary to solve the white birth rate problem they pretend to give a shit about.
The point is you cant answer "hey society has been ruined for me, my role has been to suck it up in exchange for greatness and the reward seems to be being eroded"
With "Well the solution is to suck it up even more so we can build a society on the back of your suffering where we can have greatness again"
Sure it might be the best solution but you can't build a movement solely by demanding martyrs.
It's like if they made it so.if you have a white child they execute you. The birthrate would plummet sure, but you can't just demand people do it anyway.
I can respect that reasoning even if I disagree with it. The problem is that this isn't a debate about lifestyles. It's an astroturf operation designed to further the feminist wealth transfer scam. Notice how they're completely uninterested in doing anything that would actually improve white birthrates because that would go against the interests of their feminist masters.
You're laughing at married men? Lmao. Ok loser. I'll continue to take the risk while enjoying an awesome family life for the last 15 years.
haven't you gotten with the times, old man? we're supposed to give up women and accelerate the genocide of our people to make room for the africans who pump out 15 kids each. won't you think of your finances?
Most young whites don't have the money to pump out and maintain kids, along with having to deal with women broken by feminism and socialist policies. You're asking the white male youth to game a system that has every single card stacked against them while giving the minorities all the benefits. Unless violence breaks out and the system collapses, not much is going to change that at this point
It's a severe logical failing of tradcons and oldfucks. A lot of tards not understanding the current system and that Men are not willing to martyr themselves for a society not worth giving back to.
People respond to incentives.
This is somehow a concept a lot of people refuse to understand.
Same problem Japan has had for over a generation now. No incentive. Combination of laws and economics (zombie economy / weak currency) along with mild overpopulation and cultural decay (both female behavior and easy access to sexual release), there's no incentive for men to get hitched and reproduce. The Diet tried throwing money at people to have children, but it's just not working. Globalists are aiming to take advantage of that and slip in immigration.
Kids are as expensive as you make them and there still are good women out there, but you need to search. Congrats on your faggot blackpills though I guess
Why bring white kids into the world if the system will let the niggers slaughter them anyway? :)
if nothing is worth it, everything is fucked, and you're a mistake and any kids you bring into the world would be a mistake, how does that lead to you trying to spread any sort of ideology? why aren't you just blowing your next salary on a lethal hit of heroin and making it out feeling as good as you can, if that is your end goal?
the "severe logical failing" is on your part when you try to pretend that you have all the answers while at the same time insisting your very existence is the wrong answer. worse yet, you specify White people, which means you're either violently suicidal and should be locked up (or given your desire) or you're a non-White trying to tell us not to have kids, which means you're just more subversive, cowardly scum of the earth that'll have to be cleaned up later. which is it?
I'm not an anti-natalist, nor do I do drugs or liquor.
I want a wife and kids, but I look at everything and I don't see it being worth the risk as of right now. The social contract is mostly in ruin, demographics are a destiny that is not being undone, and society is morally fighting the pendulum in different directions. And then the other things I mentioned above. True Men analyze risk and then take the risk if they see or believe to be any benefit to it. Running into things blindly is how you end up dead or destitute. Barring a collapse and rebuild, I personally don't see it worth the risk or the effort.
I specify White people because some of you shitheads here are practically demanding every single White person in our "tribe" pop out kids, as if it will save the Western nations. You have no concept of history and racial totalitarianism won't save us. Civilization cycles and it's slowly heading for the downswing, barring a Reformation.
Addendum: I'm not going to stop you from living life the way you want to, but I will confront you on telling others how they should live it.
I think we can bridge this gap. It's probably the biggest one on the right besides the JQ and i think it's a completely fair one.
Prepare for overwrought navel gazing.
The right advocates for capital C Civilization and individual dignity which is distinct from "freedom" as the neo-liberals define it. Do what thou wilt is of thr devil and that's been well established.
Civilization depends on and demands healthy families to build itself around. Going volcel undermines the fabric of society thay makes our eventual galactic empire possible.
Human dignity demands thay not be beholden to anybody without compensation that is equitable. Marriage is fundamentally NOT that for men.
So you have a situation where the two core tenants of positive existence are forced into opposition.
I'm one to believe that's by design but whatever.
I'm married, quite happy. Wouldn't change a thing and I fully intent to advise my children not to marry except in very specific circumstances.
The problem for most is that the advice for how to marry is highly unpopular AND something you can NEVER EVER tell anybody especially a woman.
Here are the requirements:
I've talked about this before, but you HAVE TO do them. If you miss any, especially 1. Your danger % jumps wicked high.
To me it's a bit like being raised by a single mom. Statistical choices, if you can avoid the worst ones you'll be better off.
They don't want to bridge the gap because they're feminist shills in white nationalist skin suits. Your advice is the best there is if you want to try family life in the West, but it's telling that they're more interested in trying to shame other men into their miserable lifestyle than doing what's necessary to solve the white birth rate problem they pretend to give a shit about.
I mean. White nationalist present right here.
The point is you cant answer "hey society has been ruined for me, my role has been to suck it up in exchange for greatness and the reward seems to be being eroded"
With "Well the solution is to suck it up even more so we can build a society on the back of your suffering where we can have greatness again"
Sure it might be the best solution but you can't build a movement solely by demanding martyrs.
It's like if they made it so.if you have a white child they execute you. The birthrate would plummet sure, but you can't just demand people do it anyway.
he’s right you know, go through a divorce and see just how much is actually yours
My perspective is generally that a marriage may be a huge risk for potential unhappiness, but growing old alone with no family is an even bigger one.
I can respect that reasoning even if I disagree with it. The problem is that this isn't a debate about lifestyles. It's an astroturf operation designed to further the feminist wealth transfer scam. Notice how they're completely uninterested in doing anything that would actually improve white birthrates because that would go against the interests of their feminist masters.
I sleep in a race car
Do you?