I think we can bridge this gap. It's probably the biggest one on the right besides the JQ and i think it's a completely fair one.
Prepare for overwrought navel gazing.
The right advocates for capital C Civilization and individual dignity which is distinct from "freedom" as the neo-liberals define it. Do what thou wilt is of thr devil and that's been well established.
Civilization depends on and demands healthy families to build itself around. Going volcel undermines the fabric of society thay makes our eventual galactic empire possible.
Human dignity demands thay not be beholden to anybody without compensation that is equitable. Marriage is fundamentally NOT that for men.
So you have a situation where the two core tenants of positive existence are forced into opposition.
I'm one to believe that's by design but whatever.
I'm married, quite happy. Wouldn't change a thing and I fully intent to advise my children not to marry except in very specific circumstances.
The problem for most is that the advice for how to marry is highly unpopular AND something you can NEVER EVER tell anybody especially a woman.
Here are the requirements:
You must marry young
You must marry while poor.
You must marry somebody poorer than you OR someone in a genuinely bad family/personal situation.
I've talked about this before, but you HAVE TO do them. If you miss any, especially 1. Your danger % jumps wicked high.
To me it's a bit like being raised by a single mom. Statistical choices, if you can avoid the worst ones you'll be better off.
They don't want to bridge the gap because they're feminist shills in white nationalist skin suits. Your advice is the best there is if you want to try family life in the West, but it's telling that they're more interested in trying to shame other men into their miserable lifestyle than doing what's necessary to solve the white birth rate problem they pretend to give a shit about.
The point is you cant answer "hey society has been ruined for me, my role has been to suck it up in exchange for greatness and the reward seems to be being eroded"
With "Well the solution is to suck it up even more so we can build a society on the back of your suffering where we can have greatness again"
Sure it might be the best solution but you can't build a movement solely by demanding martyrs.
It's like if they made it so.if you have a white child they execute you. The birthrate would plummet sure, but you can't just demand people do it anyway.
I appreciate your intellectual honesty, and I have no quarrel with actual white nationalists like yourself, especially since I share many (most?) of your views. I'm talking about the obvious feminist LARPers that are using the label as part of their astroturfing. The most charitable view of their bullshit is that they have a "misery loves company" mindset, but they perpetrate so much obvious fuckery in spaces like this that I really have no reason to believe that they're living the lifestyles they claim they are. They've already proven themselves to be dishonest hacks.
The point is you cant answer "hey society has been ruined for me, my role has been to suck it up in exchange for greatness and the reward seems to be being eroded" With "Well the solution is to suck it up even more so we can build a society on the back of your suffering where we can have greatness again"
This 100%. I've always said that the solution is to make so marriage isn't such a bad risk and address all the other ways feminism has fucked shit up. It's telling that the feminist LARPers above are completely uninterested in this solution. It's almost like they don't give a fuck about the birthrate problem at all...
I think we can bridge this gap. It's probably the biggest one on the right besides the JQ and i think it's a completely fair one.
Prepare for overwrought navel gazing.
The right advocates for capital C Civilization and individual dignity which is distinct from "freedom" as the neo-liberals define it. Do what thou wilt is of thr devil and that's been well established.
Civilization depends on and demands healthy families to build itself around. Going volcel undermines the fabric of society thay makes our eventual galactic empire possible.
Human dignity demands thay not be beholden to anybody without compensation that is equitable. Marriage is fundamentally NOT that for men.
So you have a situation where the two core tenants of positive existence are forced into opposition.
I'm one to believe that's by design but whatever.
I'm married, quite happy. Wouldn't change a thing and I fully intent to advise my children not to marry except in very specific circumstances.
The problem for most is that the advice for how to marry is highly unpopular AND something you can NEVER EVER tell anybody especially a woman.
Here are the requirements:
I've talked about this before, but you HAVE TO do them. If you miss any, especially 1. Your danger % jumps wicked high.
To me it's a bit like being raised by a single mom. Statistical choices, if you can avoid the worst ones you'll be better off.
They don't want to bridge the gap because they're feminist shills in white nationalist skin suits. Your advice is the best there is if you want to try family life in the West, but it's telling that they're more interested in trying to shame other men into their miserable lifestyle than doing what's necessary to solve the white birth rate problem they pretend to give a shit about.
I mean. White nationalist present right here.
The point is you cant answer "hey society has been ruined for me, my role has been to suck it up in exchange for greatness and the reward seems to be being eroded"
With "Well the solution is to suck it up even more so we can build a society on the back of your suffering where we can have greatness again"
Sure it might be the best solution but you can't build a movement solely by demanding martyrs.
It's like if they made it so.if you have a white child they execute you. The birthrate would plummet sure, but you can't just demand people do it anyway.
I appreciate your intellectual honesty, and I have no quarrel with actual white nationalists like yourself, especially since I share many (most?) of your views. I'm talking about the obvious feminist LARPers that are using the label as part of their astroturfing. The most charitable view of their bullshit is that they have a "misery loves company" mindset, but they perpetrate so much obvious fuckery in spaces like this that I really have no reason to believe that they're living the lifestyles they claim they are. They've already proven themselves to be dishonest hacks.
This 100%. I've always said that the solution is to make so marriage isn't such a bad risk and address all the other ways feminism has fucked shit up. It's telling that the feminist LARPers above are completely uninterested in this solution. It's almost like they don't give a fuck about the birthrate problem at all...