The problem is that you don't have inherent value, nobody does.
If you just say, "no, it's good, unlimited mass migration is fine as long as it's from Germans, Jews, or Japanese" that tells you nothing. You need to tell where people are coming from and why. And even there, we still see the effects of Leftism having an even worse effect.
Ecuador is a good example, given how bad MS-13 became before Bukele's hard-nosed response. MS-13 doesn't originate in Equador, it originates in Los Angeles. It is made of Equadorian migrants. When MS-13 members went back to Equador, that is where you see the crime rate absolutely explode. If you assumed that race and ethnicity was enough, there should be no difference in the crime rate whether or not MS-13 members leave or return to Equador. Instead, LA radicalized Equadorians into extreme levels of violence were not represented in any Equadorian migrant group.
This distinction between immigrant and domestic populations is replicated across multiple states. Hell, East Germans are a full 1 SD IQ point lower than West Germany.
I wouldn't say mass migration is fine if they are white (or whatever). I would say we should pause all immigration while we figure our shit out. And then vet people carefully.
All I heard about MS-13 is Ecuadorians commit violence in LA and they commit it back home. Even if we are 100% racist, you can observe the negative effects of criminals moving internationally.
I'm not sure what your point about E German and W German IQ is. IQ has a developmental component even in perfectly healthy people. E Germans were communist, and they probably starved.
That's my point, you've found it clearly. Leftist policies are totalitarian and horribly destructive which breed pathological behavior in people, regardless of whatever biological disposition they may have. Physical insecurity, gaslighting, starvation, demoralization, all of these outcomes of leftist polices not only make people worse, but make worse people.
This is why white flight wasn't actually all that common in earlier parts of the 20th century, and why segregationist laws (that were local) got repealed after a few decades. Normal integration, over time, does take place.
But if you ideologically capture a demographic and use institutions to promote Cluster B personality disorders among that population, and stoke resentment and hatred, well, son of a bitch, crime rises. The longer the pathology is allowed to continue, the worse the situation gets. That's what whites are fleeing. They're looking at the situation being fundamentally unsolvable and giving up because they are seeing a pathological culture with no positive to identify. But it's not merely an ethnic difference, it cultural difference of the worst kind.
It's the same reason you wouldn't want a white Muslim population living next to you. Islam teaches a pro-violence, pro-pedophilia, pro-tyranny, supremacist set of values that are incompatible with western values. Islam can negate whatever ethnic familiarity you have. That's why you have to vet people, and not rely on the generalization itself.
But it's not merely an ethnic difference, it cultural difference of the worst kind.
Culture, race, and ethnicity (and Religion) are all very well tied together. Usually, pick an "ethnic" group, and they share all these things.
I don't know what white Muslims would be. I know plenty of Muslims would be described as white, as a big tent option. Don't ever dare call anyone mixed race.
But if we're talking traditional white Christian Americans who converted, I don't think there are enough to be a bloc.
Black Muslims might be an ethnicity, since they're more into it and build families around it. But I would not be shocked if any of these felt like the Umma is their ethnicity. Religion is a powerful force. Whatever people seize on as their identify (for a long time -- ignoring the johnny come lately identity stuff), is so.
You can't just ignore the power of a religion over an ethnic bias, when you have something like Islam or Leftism which are totalitarian.
Put it like this, I don't care what Arabs are genetically predisposed towards in a vacuum. Islam promotes violence and close cousin marriage. The two fastest ways to decrease a population's IQ is to expose children to violence and marry cousins.
Is that an innate trait of Arabs stretching through all time? Or is it a totalitarian religion that literally breeds pathological behavior into populations. What was genetic, is now cultivated by environment into a new force that is influencing female sex selection.
Again, this is why East German IQ's are important. They aren't different cultures prior to Leftism. Not different languages or religions. Only politics. But that politics cultivates violence, corruptions, starvation, incest, and every other kind of pathology and degeneracy that could ruin a population and promote pathological behavior. The Leftism was only present for 3 generations, and it yet it still had a violent and immediate effect on the population's statistics.
If you work backwards from a Leftist environment and declare that the outcomes are normal for that population, then you've misunderstood what you are looking at. You are failing to recognize a population afflicted by a mental disease that attacks them at every possible level: intellectual, emotional, physical, linguistic, cultural, even genetic.
The problem is that you don't have inherent value, nobody does.
If you just say, "no, it's good, unlimited mass migration is fine as long as it's from Germans, Jews, or Japanese" that tells you nothing. You need to tell where people are coming from and why. And even there, we still see the effects of Leftism having an even worse effect.
Ecuador is a good example, given how bad MS-13 became before Bukele's hard-nosed response. MS-13 doesn't originate in Equador, it originates in Los Angeles. It is made of Equadorian migrants. When MS-13 members went back to Equador, that is where you see the crime rate absolutely explode. If you assumed that race and ethnicity was enough, there should be no difference in the crime rate whether or not MS-13 members leave or return to Equador. Instead, LA radicalized Equadorians into extreme levels of violence were not represented in any Equadorian migrant group.
This distinction between immigrant and domestic populations is replicated across multiple states. Hell, East Germans are a full 1 SD IQ point lower than West Germany.
I wouldn't say mass migration is fine if they are white (or whatever). I would say we should pause all immigration while we figure our shit out. And then vet people carefully.
All I heard about MS-13 is Ecuadorians commit violence in LA and they commit it back home. Even if we are 100% racist, you can observe the negative effects of criminals moving internationally.
I'm not sure what your point about E German and W German IQ is. IQ has a developmental component even in perfectly healthy people. E Germans were communist, and they probably starved.
That's my point, you've found it clearly. Leftist policies are totalitarian and horribly destructive which breed pathological behavior in people, regardless of whatever biological disposition they may have. Physical insecurity, gaslighting, starvation, demoralization, all of these outcomes of leftist polices not only make people worse, but make worse people.
This is why white flight wasn't actually all that common in earlier parts of the 20th century, and why segregationist laws (that were local) got repealed after a few decades. Normal integration, over time, does take place.
But if you ideologically capture a demographic and use institutions to promote Cluster B personality disorders among that population, and stoke resentment and hatred, well, son of a bitch, crime rises. The longer the pathology is allowed to continue, the worse the situation gets. That's what whites are fleeing. They're looking at the situation being fundamentally unsolvable and giving up because they are seeing a pathological culture with no positive to identify. But it's not merely an ethnic difference, it cultural difference of the worst kind.
It's the same reason you wouldn't want a white Muslim population living next to you. Islam teaches a pro-violence, pro-pedophilia, pro-tyranny, supremacist set of values that are incompatible with western values. Islam can negate whatever ethnic familiarity you have. That's why you have to vet people, and not rely on the generalization itself.
Culture, race, and ethnicity (and Religion) are all very well tied together. Usually, pick an "ethnic" group, and they share all these things.
I don't know what white Muslims would be. I know plenty of Muslims would be described as white, as a big tent option. Don't ever dare call anyone mixed race. But if we're talking traditional white Christian Americans who converted, I don't think there are enough to be a bloc. Black Muslims might be an ethnicity, since they're more into it and build families around it. But I would not be shocked if any of these felt like the Umma is their ethnicity. Religion is a powerful force. Whatever people seize on as their identify (for a long time -- ignoring the johnny come lately identity stuff), is so.
You can't just ignore the power of a religion over an ethnic bias, when you have something like Islam or Leftism which are totalitarian.
Put it like this, I don't care what Arabs are genetically predisposed towards in a vacuum. Islam promotes violence and close cousin marriage. The two fastest ways to decrease a population's IQ is to expose children to violence and marry cousins.
Is that an innate trait of Arabs stretching through all time? Or is it a totalitarian religion that literally breeds pathological behavior into populations. What was genetic, is now cultivated by environment into a new force that is influencing female sex selection.
Again, this is why East German IQ's are important. They aren't different cultures prior to Leftism. Not different languages or religions. Only politics. But that politics cultivates violence, corruptions, starvation, incest, and every other kind of pathology and degeneracy that could ruin a population and promote pathological behavior. The Leftism was only present for 3 generations, and it yet it still had a violent and immediate effect on the population's statistics.
If you work backwards from a Leftist environment and declare that the outcomes are normal for that population, then you've misunderstood what you are looking at. You are failing to recognize a population afflicted by a mental disease that attacks them at every possible level: intellectual, emotional, physical, linguistic, cultural, even genetic.