I still struggle to have any sympathy for modern city cops after they knelt for BLM and pride but gleefully trampled anti-lockdown freedom protests, and then had their ranks purged of any good ones left by vaccine mandates.
Stunning and beautiful, this is what you knelt for.
Being pro-cop was always just knee jerk "the Left hates it so I must love it!"
There is no reason to support cops until they support us first. Until they stop being a willing arm of the Political Tyranny, they will always be our enemy and should be considered as such.
Even that, because the ones who saw sense and would be on my side were purged out in the mandates. I don't think even this is true anymore, depending on place.
I think it was more assumptions. The cop structure hadn't been tested on a macro level, and the usual argument was "black trash vs cop" and the left taking the trash's side.
We're there dirty cops? Yeah. And for my part I've always been anti-institution period, so I hated them on principle.
But looking at something like Mike Brown?
Apparatus working as intended as much as it could. The trash was taken out and yeah I'll stand by that cops actions no hesitation.
As an institution though? Fuck em. And then they were during covid and they failed. So fuck em double.
Prior too I can forgive you for believing in them as a right wing institution like the military. Now it's clear neither one is, so there's no excuse.
The big difference between the experiences of conservatives and libertarians in regards to law enforcement is that the conservatives lived in an environment where governance and law enforcement could be trusted to be legitimate and competent. Therefore, they see it as a crucial aspect to ordering society. Libertarians lived in an environment where governance and law enforcement had no integrity, accountability, and they were the target of it.
The conservatives are shocked that libertarians would be glad to see cops go because the conservatives never experienced an unaccountable government to such a degree that you gave up on the entire concept of governmentally applied justice altogether; and think that the police are a lynchpin to keep society ordered. Whereas the libertarian is prepared to risk order-by-government if it can prevent the government from being worse than the criminals (or their enforcers).
It's kind of an irreconcilable difference. The conservatives are unwilling to sacrifice order at the risk of potential tyranny. The libertarians are unwilling to risk tyranny to achieve order.
I still struggle to have any sympathy for modern city cops...
I mean, I don't want to defend cops, because I feel kind of the same way but...#NotAll, and all that. That's a pretty broad brush.
What's important to keep in mind is cops are largely captured by the state. If they don't agree, they'll find work elsewhere. If they do agree, or are too big a bunch of cowardly fucks to leave, they'll stay and do their "duty."
If your state hates you...cops are 100% your enemy. If your state respects your rights (somewhat rare, but does happen), cops serve a valuable law enforcement role.
You also have to wonder what these cops are being told beforehand. We know the state lies, why wouldn't they lie to their cops? Tell them the COVID protests are super dangerous and then give them all the support they were refused during "The Summer of Love" and they'll be heavy handed for sure.
The ones who know, won't go, but they didn't stop everyone else did they?
The state lied to the cops as much as the hospitals. False documents, false evidence, false claims. They absolutely lied everywhere and then claimed it was absolute truth to get the political momentum for everyone to agree.
I had a friend who had a family member working in a hospital. The administration told the hospital staff to expect 30% of the state's peak number of patients within 3 days. They expected that thousands would be coming in. There was no change from what they currently had. They cancelled thousands of appointments and delayed treating lots of people, but every authoritative source they had claimed something that was observably false.
Why would cops think anything different? There were 500 Covid deaths in the county last week. "Of" Covid and "With" Covid still won't be figured out for 3 more years. Every hospital is reporting massive expected surges every week, regardless of how many people actually show up. The injections prevent you from getting Covid, every health agency agrees and your not a doctor. The state supreme court says that pulling people over without probable cause isn't a violation of the 4th amendment because the governor declared an emergency. The prosecutor said so. Every single gathering of 3 or more people is a "super spreader" event. This is known. It is a fact by any authority figure that exists, including your own union.
I still struggle to have any sympathy for modern city cops after they knelt for BLM and pride but gleefully trampled anti-lockdown freedom protests, and then had their ranks purged of any good ones left by vaccine mandates.
Stunning and beautiful, this is what you knelt for.
Being pro-cop was always just knee jerk "the Left hates it so I must love it!"
There is no reason to support cops until they support us first. Until they stop being a willing arm of the Political Tyranny, they will always be our enemy and should be considered as such.
Individuals might be fine, but as a whole.
Even that, because the ones who saw sense and would be on my side were purged out in the mandates. I don't think even this is true anymore, depending on place.
I think it was more assumptions. The cop structure hadn't been tested on a macro level, and the usual argument was "black trash vs cop" and the left taking the trash's side.
We're there dirty cops? Yeah. And for my part I've always been anti-institution period, so I hated them on principle.
But looking at something like Mike Brown?
Apparatus working as intended as much as it could. The trash was taken out and yeah I'll stand by that cops actions no hesitation.
As an institution though? Fuck em. And then they were during covid and they failed. So fuck em double.
Prior too I can forgive you for believing in them as a right wing institution like the military. Now it's clear neither one is, so there's no excuse.
Being pro-cop was mostly about growing up in decent environments and not having to think about whether cops were good or not.
Being pro-cop in an area where cops are hardly needed is like being anti-gun because you live in an area with no crime.
This is a common thread.
The big difference between the experiences of conservatives and libertarians in regards to law enforcement is that the conservatives lived in an environment where governance and law enforcement could be trusted to be legitimate and competent. Therefore, they see it as a crucial aspect to ordering society. Libertarians lived in an environment where governance and law enforcement had no integrity, accountability, and they were the target of it.
The conservatives are shocked that libertarians would be glad to see cops go because the conservatives never experienced an unaccountable government to such a degree that you gave up on the entire concept of governmentally applied justice altogether; and think that the police are a lynchpin to keep society ordered. Whereas the libertarian is prepared to risk order-by-government if it can prevent the government from being worse than the criminals (or their enforcers).
It's kind of an irreconcilable difference. The conservatives are unwilling to sacrifice order at the risk of potential tyranny. The libertarians are unwilling to risk tyranny to achieve order.
I mean, I don't want to defend cops, because I feel kind of the same way but...#NotAll, and all that. That's a pretty broad brush.
What's important to keep in mind is cops are largely captured by the state. If they don't agree, they'll find work elsewhere. If they do agree, or are too big a bunch of cowardly fucks to leave, they'll stay and do their "duty."
If your state hates you...cops are 100% your enemy. If your state respects your rights (somewhat rare, but does happen), cops serve a valuable law enforcement role.
Basically. Gay State = Gay Cops.
You also have to wonder what these cops are being told beforehand. We know the state lies, why wouldn't they lie to their cops? Tell them the COVID protests are super dangerous and then give them all the support they were refused during "The Summer of Love" and they'll be heavy handed for sure.
The ones who know, won't go, but they didn't stop everyone else did they?
The state lied to the cops as much as the hospitals. False documents, false evidence, false claims. They absolutely lied everywhere and then claimed it was absolute truth to get the political momentum for everyone to agree.
I had a friend who had a family member working in a hospital. The administration told the hospital staff to expect 30% of the state's peak number of patients within 3 days. They expected that thousands would be coming in. There was no change from what they currently had. They cancelled thousands of appointments and delayed treating lots of people, but every authoritative source they had claimed something that was observably false.
Why would cops think anything different? There were 500 Covid deaths in the county last week. "Of" Covid and "With" Covid still won't be figured out for 3 more years. Every hospital is reporting massive expected surges every week, regardless of how many people actually show up. The injections prevent you from getting Covid, every health agency agrees and your not a doctor. The state supreme court says that pulling people over without probable cause isn't a violation of the 4th amendment because the governor declared an emergency. The prosecutor said so. Every single gathering of 3 or more people is a "super spreader" event. This is known. It is a fact by any authority figure that exists, including your own union.
Why would you think anything different?