Being pro-cop was always just knee jerk "the Left hates it so I must love it!"
There is no reason to support cops until they support us first. Until they stop being a willing arm of the Political Tyranny, they will always be our enemy and should be considered as such.
Even that, because the ones who saw sense and would be on my side were purged out in the mandates. I don't think even this is true anymore, depending on place.
I think it was more assumptions. The cop structure hadn't been tested on a macro level, and the usual argument was "black trash vs cop" and the left taking the trash's side.
We're there dirty cops? Yeah. And for my part I've always been anti-institution period, so I hated them on principle.
But looking at something like Mike Brown?
Apparatus working as intended as much as it could. The trash was taken out and yeah I'll stand by that cops actions no hesitation.
As an institution though? Fuck em. And then they were during covid and they failed. So fuck em double.
Prior too I can forgive you for believing in them as a right wing institution like the military. Now it's clear neither one is, so there's no excuse.
The big difference between the experiences of conservatives and libertarians in regards to law enforcement is that the conservatives lived in an environment where governance and law enforcement could be trusted to be legitimate and competent. Therefore, they see it as a crucial aspect to ordering society. Libertarians lived in an environment where governance and law enforcement had no integrity, accountability, and they were the target of it.
The conservatives are shocked that libertarians would be glad to see cops go because the conservatives never experienced an unaccountable government to such a degree that you gave up on the entire concept of governmentally applied justice altogether; and think that the police are a lynchpin to keep society ordered. Whereas the libertarian is prepared to risk order-by-government if it can prevent the government from being worse than the criminals (or their enforcers).
It's kind of an irreconcilable difference. The conservatives are unwilling to sacrifice order at the risk of potential tyranny. The libertarians are unwilling to risk tyranny to achieve order.
Being pro-cop was always just knee jerk "the Left hates it so I must love it!"
There is no reason to support cops until they support us first. Until they stop being a willing arm of the Political Tyranny, they will always be our enemy and should be considered as such.
Individuals might be fine, but as a whole.
Even that, because the ones who saw sense and would be on my side were purged out in the mandates. I don't think even this is true anymore, depending on place.
I think it was more assumptions. The cop structure hadn't been tested on a macro level, and the usual argument was "black trash vs cop" and the left taking the trash's side.
We're there dirty cops? Yeah. And for my part I've always been anti-institution period, so I hated them on principle.
But looking at something like Mike Brown?
Apparatus working as intended as much as it could. The trash was taken out and yeah I'll stand by that cops actions no hesitation.
As an institution though? Fuck em. And then they were during covid and they failed. So fuck em double.
Prior too I can forgive you for believing in them as a right wing institution like the military. Now it's clear neither one is, so there's no excuse.
Being pro-cop was mostly about growing up in decent environments and not having to think about whether cops were good or not.
Being pro-cop in an area where cops are hardly needed is like being anti-gun because you live in an area with no crime.
This is a common thread.
The big difference between the experiences of conservatives and libertarians in regards to law enforcement is that the conservatives lived in an environment where governance and law enforcement could be trusted to be legitimate and competent. Therefore, they see it as a crucial aspect to ordering society. Libertarians lived in an environment where governance and law enforcement had no integrity, accountability, and they were the target of it.
The conservatives are shocked that libertarians would be glad to see cops go because the conservatives never experienced an unaccountable government to such a degree that you gave up on the entire concept of governmentally applied justice altogether; and think that the police are a lynchpin to keep society ordered. Whereas the libertarian is prepared to risk order-by-government if it can prevent the government from being worse than the criminals (or their enforcers).
It's kind of an irreconcilable difference. The conservatives are unwilling to sacrifice order at the risk of potential tyranny. The libertarians are unwilling to risk tyranny to achieve order.