I'm glad more people are taking this view because it's been fucking silly how butthurt others have been getting over it. They're digging in trying to cry persecution but at the end of the day the more details come out the more they're looking like greedy fucks who took the money without ever questioning it.
I believe Lauren and Liam were sincere and truthful to their knowledge with me throughout. If someone did deceive them, I do not know who this person is or what this person’s purposes are, but it is my belief that Lauren and Liam did not approach me with malicious intent to deceive me or give me false information.
At best, they're going to be using "I was an idiot and got tricked/I had absolute no knowledge they were agents" as their legal defence, which will likely work because it does seem even the people going after them are taking that view generally so they've got that going for them. It's still an incredibly bad look for them though as you're pointing out from a professional reputation perspective.
You spend like half your time complaining that you're going to have to flee your country because you think your government will lock you up for having the wrong opinions.
But then, when asked repeatedly, you say you'll believe the government that hates you and people with bad opinions, and you'll condemn even people you like that the government has already said they hate...if the government puts the accusation on the right letterhead, essentially. 'Well, it's offficiial!' You've also said it's a smear and an attack but, again, because it's official those guys are all 'greedy grifter fuck larpers.' You've also said that, even when it's official, if it's political, it's more likely to be bullshit. And yet you still say you believe the government, while also calling them corrupt.
You've lost all credibility on this. And you love to feel prosecuted; this has nothing to do with who you are...your opinion is just utter shit on this topic. I'd call out anyone spouting this, regardless of username. This has nothing to do with you.
I think Lethn has some sort of communication impairment. Tons of conversations between him and multiple other posters follow the same pattern: he posts something stupid, gets called stupid, and then says that the stupid thing he said isn’t what he meant, while also repeating that thing, while also misreading other comments. Over and over. And the more analogies someone draws, the more they try to illustrate exactly what the thing he wrote means and what it implies, the more he will insist everyone is “sperging out” and “misinterpreting.”
It’s like he’s working with a dictionary that’s subtly different from everyone else’s, and he never seems to realize that there’s a disconnect between what he means and what he’s actually saying.
Almost like he’s subtly trying to nudge the forum in a certain direction and keeps getting called out for it, so he responds by denying his sliding and accusing everyone else of doing it.
he’s subtly trying to nudge the forum in a certain direction
If that's truly his retarded goal, he's been doing a very shitty job of it. There have been several newfags this year alone far more successful at forum sliding than him. He's been repeatedly called out before.
I don’t know enough about autism or other communication/cognitive impairment to know exactly what I’m implying he has, but yes, that is essentially what I’m saying. And not in the cool “weaponized autism” way.
you say you'll believe the government that hates you and people with bad opinions, and you'll condemn even people you like that the government has already said they hate
I have not written that, you have and you deliberately misinterpret my posts on the topic, you guys are having an absolute sperg session over these guys which is why I'm not backing down.
Your reading comprehension for whatever reason on this particular topic Kienan is fucking awful.
You spend like half your time complaining that you're going to have to flee your country because you think your government will lock you up for having the wrong opinions.
Yes for having the wrong opinions, I don't take huge sums of money from suspicious sources that I can't verify, why the fuck are you trying to conflate two different issues? In fact three different issues because their larping is a whole other matter. I can condemn them for being retards and taking money from suspicious sources but also condemn the DOJ for politically motivated prosecutions, there is no contradiction there.
I have not written that, you have and you deliberately misinterpret my posts on the topic, you guys are having an absolute sperg session...Your reading comprehension...is fucking awful.
You have said that, and you stood by it. Also, you keep accusing me and other s of "misinterpreting" you when we're just repeating back what you're saying.
Yes for having the wrong opinions, I don't take huge sums of money from suspicious sources that I can't verify, why the fuck are you trying to conflate two different issues?
Because, and I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat this...they're not two different issues?!
So you can't trust the government not to lock you up because they dislike you...but you can trust the government to lock you up if they dislike you...and say you took money you shouldn't have. Okay, smart. Great. If they give a good enough reason to lock up the people who oppose them, it's all on the up and up. You'll cry "misinterpretation" again, but that's what you're saying. And you've said you'll believe government accusations, even if they're also reputational smears, if it's official.
And, again, this is all about an investor of a "boss" of a company you license some of your product to, and it's not "huge sums of money," it's pretty standard.
You're sperging again, stop it
Again...bruh.
You keep telling me that. I've never said that to you, even when you clearly are. Chill.
If you've ever got downvotes you think are unfair because you're speaking the truth, it's instructive to look at Lethn's posts. Calling someone who's earned a lot of goodwill a "greedy fuck" while being a British neckbeard whose chubby accent is almost audible through the screen is not a good combination.
The issue, as I see it anyway and have watched it play out for decades now - is that there is no obligation to behave in a manner that the other side isn't.
The situation is such that both sides have agreed to a 'boxing' match. The fight starts and they kick you in the nuts, and their cornerman throws a brick at you, and while ducking you hit the opponent low.. so the ref stops the fight so "they" can tell you that you're breaking "their" rules. When clear, obviously and demonstrably they stopped following the rules at the outset.
Fuck their rules, fuck them. Stop playing by their rules, and stop thinking that by playing by their rules you're going to get whatever it is you think the benefit is..
Your nation is in a fight, being kicked, stabbed, shot at, and you're screaming for your Nation to only fight Marquess of Queensberry rules.
ei:
Q from them: OMG can you believe that Russia funded x/y/z...
Answering Q with Q: Were they offsetting some other nation funding our media? Or are they adding to it? Did you see that list of other country's funding our media outlets?
You and others completely misunderstand what the issue here is, it's not that they're taking this money in the first place though that is questionable in of itself. The biggest problem is that they're insisting on doing a larp for the sake of grifting and pretending to be on side when they're just shilling for whatever gets them the paycheck.
I'm not playing by their rules in the slightest I think that youtubers who try to deceive their core audience by doing an edgy rebellion larp while taking that much money from a government agent can fuck off but they also clearly make extra income pilfering their audience under false pretences.
The biggest joke I think it is highly likely that any one of these youtubers will be back and carrying on with the grift as if they need they desperately need the money. I'm actually quite surprised that Paul Joseph Watson wasn't somehow involved in this because he pulls that shit constantly and it's one of the things I found irksome about his particular grift with how he uploaded his 'content'.
These people are not friends in any capacity, they're there to tell you what you want to hear in exchange for money and they will hop to whatever side will guarantee them the most income. Now I'm having a much better idea of who's downvoting me constantly by the people who are defending this and getting angsty, makes a nice change from the ConPro bots.
Again, these are not small youtubers who are being bullied, these are people who will have six figures in their bank accounts net positive at an absolute minimum which is why I'm going so hard and not backing down.
You are playing by their rules, because you're accepting the playing field, you're accepting their argument. Whether it is about money - they've done it first. Or it is about reputation - they did it first. Or anything else you can think up - they've done it first - and you're not catching on to it, instead you're playing their game by reacting, defensively when there is nothing to be defensive about.
Finger-wagging one side, while ignoring the other is a really bad look. And also playing by their rules.
Also as an aside: 1st paragraph, it isn't about money.
3rd paragraph - they'll be back for the money. Wha?
I agree they aren't friends, but who said they were?
They are talking heads, like the rest of them.
Getting money, like the rest of them.
Likely reading a script, like the rest of them...
Catching on yet?
Finally, didn't dv you I actually brought you back to 0. You're welcome.
Yes, you do know I believe in dead internet theory right? Exactly how much reach do you think right wing grifters really have? I see more people getting red pilled on shit like SBI and Dustborn than I do seeing PJW doing his milquetoast takes on youtube while taking up half of his 12 minute videos with a sponsor read.
Why? Because because this kind of shit tangibly affects younger audiences and gamers generally on a day to day basis. You also have even the normies ditching woke shit because of how terrible it is on Netlfix and Amazon shows despite the heavy amount of astroturfing that goes on.
I think I need to explain this in order for any of you to understand why I don't particularly give a shit about these guys the same way you do. They might have been somewhat important in 2016 when there was barely anyone aware of this stuff but now not so much.
I'm glad more people are taking this view because it's been fucking silly how butthurt others have been getting over it. They're digging in trying to cry persecution but at the end of the day the more details come out the more they're looking like greedy fucks who took the money without ever questioning it.
At best, they're going to be using "I was an idiot and got tricked/I had absolute no knowledge they were agents" as their legal defence, which will likely work because it does seem even the people going after them are taking that view generally so they've got that going for them. It's still an incredibly bad look for them though as you're pointing out from a professional reputation perspective.
ib4 mass downvotes.
Bruh.
You spend like half your time complaining that you're going to have to flee your country because you think your government will lock you up for having the wrong opinions.
But then, when asked repeatedly, you say you'll believe the government that hates you and people with bad opinions, and you'll condemn even people you like that the government has already said they hate...if the government puts the accusation on the right letterhead, essentially. 'Well, it's offficiial!' You've also said it's a smear and an attack but, again, because it's official those guys are all 'greedy grifter fuck larpers.' You've also said that, even when it's official, if it's political, it's more likely to be bullshit. And yet you still say you believe the government, while also calling them corrupt.
You've lost all credibility on this. And you love to feel prosecuted; this has nothing to do with who you are...your opinion is just utter shit on this topic. I'd call out anyone spouting this, regardless of username. This has nothing to do with you.
I think Lethn has some sort of communication impairment. Tons of conversations between him and multiple other posters follow the same pattern: he posts something stupid, gets called stupid, and then says that the stupid thing he said isn’t what he meant, while also repeating that thing, while also misreading other comments. Over and over. And the more analogies someone draws, the more they try to illustrate exactly what the thing he wrote means and what it implies, the more he will insist everyone is “sperging out” and “misinterpreting.”
It’s like he’s working with a dictionary that’s subtly different from everyone else’s, and he never seems to realize that there’s a disconnect between what he means and what he’s actually saying.
Almost like he’s subtly trying to nudge the forum in a certain direction and keeps getting called out for it, so he responds by denying his sliding and accusing everyone else of doing it.
Yeah, that's also a possibility, although he just doesn't strike me as very calculating. Which I guess could mean he's really, really calculating.
If that's truly his retarded goal, he's been doing a very shitty job of it. There have been several newfags this year alone far more successful at forum sliding than him. He's been repeatedly called out before.
you make him sound autistic, lol
I don’t know enough about autism or other communication/cognitive impairment to know exactly what I’m implying he has, but yes, that is essentially what I’m saying. And not in the cool “weaponized autism” way.
Nailed it. And he's Libertarian so I just assume brain damage.
I have not written that, you have and you deliberately misinterpret my posts on the topic, you guys are having an absolute sperg session over these guys which is why I'm not backing down.
Your reading comprehension for whatever reason on this particular topic Kienan is fucking awful.
Yes for having the wrong opinions, I don't take huge sums of money from suspicious sources that I can't verify, why the fuck are you trying to conflate two different issues? In fact three different issues because their larping is a whole other matter. I can condemn them for being retards and taking money from suspicious sources but also condemn the DOJ for politically motivated prosecutions, there is no contradiction there.
You're sperging again, stop it
You have said that, and you stood by it. Also, you keep accusing me and other s of "misinterpreting" you when we're just repeating back what you're saying.
Because, and I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat this...they're not two different issues?!
So you can't trust the government not to lock you up because they dislike you...but you can trust the government to lock you up if they dislike you...and say you took money you shouldn't have. Okay, smart. Great. If they give a good enough reason to lock up the people who oppose them, it's all on the up and up. You'll cry "misinterpretation" again, but that's what you're saying. And you've said you'll believe government accusations, even if they're also reputational smears, if it's official.
And, again, this is all about an investor of a "boss" of a company you license some of your product to, and it's not "huge sums of money," it's pretty standard.
Again...bruh.
You keep telling me that. I've never said that to you, even when you clearly are. Chill.
Yeah I'm done, this site is turning into reddit, you just make up whatever shit you like by yourself
$144,000.00
That's what we're talking about here. That is the annual salary Matt Christiansen contracted for.
If you've ever got downvotes you think are unfair because you're speaking the truth, it's instructive to look at Lethn's posts. Calling someone who's earned a lot of goodwill a "greedy fuck" while being a British neckbeard whose chubby accent is almost audible through the screen is not a good combination.
The issue, as I see it anyway and have watched it play out for decades now - is that there is no obligation to behave in a manner that the other side isn't.
The situation is such that both sides have agreed to a 'boxing' match. The fight starts and they kick you in the nuts, and their cornerman throws a brick at you, and while ducking you hit the opponent low.. so the ref stops the fight so "they" can tell you that you're breaking "their" rules. When clear, obviously and demonstrably they stopped following the rules at the outset.
Fuck their rules, fuck them. Stop playing by their rules, and stop thinking that by playing by their rules you're going to get whatever it is you think the benefit is..
Your nation is in a fight, being kicked, stabbed, shot at, and you're screaming for your Nation to only fight Marquess of Queensberry rules.
ei: Q from them: OMG can you believe that Russia funded x/y/z...
Answering Q with Q: Were they offsetting some other nation funding our media? Or are they adding to it? Did you see that list of other country's funding our media outlets?
You and others completely misunderstand what the issue here is, it's not that they're taking this money in the first place though that is questionable in of itself. The biggest problem is that they're insisting on doing a larp for the sake of grifting and pretending to be on side when they're just shilling for whatever gets them the paycheck.
I'm not playing by their rules in the slightest I think that youtubers who try to deceive their core audience by doing an edgy rebellion larp while taking that much money from a government agent can fuck off but they also clearly make extra income pilfering their audience under false pretences.
The biggest joke I think it is highly likely that any one of these youtubers will be back and carrying on with the grift as if they need they desperately need the money. I'm actually quite surprised that Paul Joseph Watson wasn't somehow involved in this because he pulls that shit constantly and it's one of the things I found irksome about his particular grift with how he uploaded his 'content'.
These people are not friends in any capacity, they're there to tell you what you want to hear in exchange for money and they will hop to whatever side will guarantee them the most income. Now I'm having a much better idea of who's downvoting me constantly by the people who are defending this and getting angsty, makes a nice change from the ConPro bots.
Again, these are not small youtubers who are being bullied, these are people who will have six figures in their bank accounts net positive at an absolute minimum which is why I'm going so hard and not backing down.
Respectfully, Physician, heal thy self!!!
Reread what I wrote, and understand you're doing.
You are playing by their rules, because you're accepting the playing field, you're accepting their argument. Whether it is about money - they've done it first. Or it is about reputation - they did it first. Or anything else you can think up - they've done it first - and you're not catching on to it, instead you're playing their game by reacting, defensively when there is nothing to be defensive about.
Finger-wagging one side, while ignoring the other is a really bad look. And also playing by their rules.
Also as an aside: 1st paragraph, it isn't about money. 3rd paragraph - they'll be back for the money. Wha?
I agree they aren't friends, but who said they were?
They are talking heads, like the rest of them.
Getting money, like the rest of them.
Likely reading a script, like the rest of them...
Catching on yet?
Finally, didn't dv you I actually brought you back to 0. You're welcome.
I don't downvote, I don't fear words.
Yes, you do know I believe in dead internet theory right? Exactly how much reach do you think right wing grifters really have? I see more people getting red pilled on shit like SBI and Dustborn than I do seeing PJW doing his milquetoast takes on youtube while taking up half of his 12 minute videos with a sponsor read.
Why? Because because this kind of shit tangibly affects younger audiences and gamers generally on a day to day basis. You also have even the normies ditching woke shit because of how terrible it is on Netlfix and Amazon shows despite the heavy amount of astroturfing that goes on.
I think I need to explain this in order for any of you to understand why I don't particularly give a shit about these guys the same way you do. They might have been somewhat important in 2016 when there was barely anyone aware of this stuff but now not so much.
You're being down voted because your take is stupid in addition to being wrong. Shut your face you worthless limey.