The BNP destroyed themselves from what I looked up on them.
When they actually got an MEP seat so got an establishment position, they f'd up and got easily found out embezzling and other shit plus they couldn't hold an argument in an actual debate.
Compare this to UKIP (as Reform didn't exist back then) and you see they had the arguments in place, knew how to debate and how to apply pressure successfully to get the referendum they wanted. Even the EDL has a better position than BNP as evident by them still being relevant.
Nigel Farage is literally just saying here that he gave the BNP voters what they wanted policy wise without the shitstorm that the BNP was, similar to Conservative voters in 2024 since this clip was in 2019.
except that's not what he said did he? he specifically said he wanted to give voters "a less racist option" , and that he destroyed the far right and the British National Party by stealing their votes this way.
Because the BNP were fucking idiots, I remember back in the day seeing them completely stumble a debate and even made some weird sock puppet 'children's show' where they just went on and on about race.
Nigel isn't positioning himself as 'far right', just RIGHT. Having a working immigration policy doesn't need to focused on race since a working immigration policy NATURALLY excludes certain 'cultures' by default.
I care more about the character of the people coming and volume than anything else. I don't want mass migration from Californians as much as I don't want mass migration from Pakistan.
Needs to be skill based, on willingness to integrate and capped by number allowed.
culture is downstream from race. Import indians and you get india, import africans and you get africa. This is the fact of the matter.
If you sent all the Norwegians to Kenya and all the Kenyans to Norway, in a years time, Norway would become 3rd world and Kenya would become first world
If you sent all the Norwegians to Kenya and all the Kenyans to Norway, in a years time, Norway would become 3rd world and Kenya would become first world
I don't know what you were smoking but lay off it for that conclusion mate. Culture is a mix of not just racial but ENVIRONMENTAL factors. You are sliding it down so much to race you ignore ALL the context of WHY they are such a problem.
Ok so let's look at why the illegals in Europe are a problem: they get free hand outs so don't work to give back into society plus that would force them to integrate and learn skills, they are given lighter treatment compared to the native population even for serious offenses like rape and they are not unified group so bring their PREVIOUS grudges with them leading to more sectarian violence on the streets.
So what about the reverse example you gave, we just mass imported Norwegians to Kenya. Well there DEFINITELY wouldn't be any handouts, the environment would be a hazard as while winter might be a bitch for illegals if the establishment didn't give them hotels unlike native homeless in Europe, the Norwegians would suffer massively from heat exhaustion, it'd be hard to adapt the land compared to Norway as it took DECADES to turn some of these places into breadbaskets like Rhodesia was and unlike Europe, you don't have to worry about literal tribal war.
It isn't JUST a race issue, if Europe treated illegals like it's native homeless population, they'd not have as many of them by the millions.
China never developed glass as much as Europe because they preferred tea whereas Europeans grew grapes for wine more so vastly developed glass to showcase it more leading to a technological edge.
Have a better argument to disprove 'muh environment factors'
We already did that study. Twice. They're called South Africa and Rhodesia. Both were incredibly successful when Whites were in charge and have gone straight to the shitter as soon as Africans were given power.
Yes but that was done a century ago, are you saying now, with current environment that has let land go to waste and current regional powers as that's a factor too they'd be so successful? That's why I am making the argument, as people are hyper focusing on race than forgetting the WILLFUL submission and cucking of the western establishment and authority to the illegals.
Only a leftist is capable of the cognitive dissonance necessary observe the behavior and beliefs of Jews and Muslims and arrive at the conclusion that the former are the bigger threat to civilization.
^^^Of course the guy who comes to the conclusion that muslims are a bigger threat to civilization than jews, would hate the BNP. You people hate any form of White nationalism.
Not a Zionist. I don't want another penny of my tax money to be used to prop up Israel. That doesn't change the fact that Muslims are objectively worse: more violent, more disruptive, much more of a drain on our resources, and by far a bigger geopolitical threat.
But that's not even the point. The point is that nobody wants your shit. There is a reason that every fed and third columnist who wants to undermine and discredit any right-wing space immediately resorts to your talking points to achieve their goal. And that is that you are kryptonite. You are as repulsive to anyone with any common sense as a rabid sewer rat. Not even the Zoomer right will ever accept you. You will continue to burn with impotent resentment and histrionic desperation in your isolated corner of the internet long after the political paradigm has fully shifted.
did you miss the part where he admitted that the British National Party had been starting to look like a real competitor in politics in the 2000's until he came along to screw it up?
Except that was never true. For the sake of this conversation, I'll credit you with the assumption that you are actually sincere in your beliefs and not a fed whose sole purpose is to derail this forum, so here's the thing:
Outside your little pol/conpro echo chamber, nobody wants your shit. No matter how strong and mainstream the new right becomes as a political force in the West, it will always be in spite of you, not because of you, and you will always be left out of it.
So i guess you aren't going to answer the question are you? The fact of the matter is that Reform Party is similar to Jordan Peterson. Something to quell and moderate the far right when the globalists get scared that the far right might be gaining power https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXYuqrO8LLo
The BNP has been a spent force since nick griffin did his own hatchet job on it live on TV. They went from political threat to outright insignificance in an hour
the Reform party is controlled opposition that was created to destroy the British National Party.
The BNP destroyed themselves from what I looked up on them.
When they actually got an MEP seat so got an establishment position, they f'd up and got easily found out embezzling and other shit plus they couldn't hold an argument in an actual debate.
Compare this to UKIP (as Reform didn't exist back then) and you see they had the arguments in place, knew how to debate and how to apply pressure successfully to get the referendum they wanted. Even the EDL has a better position than BNP as evident by them still being relevant.
Nigel Farage is literally just saying here that he gave the BNP voters what they wanted policy wise without the shitstorm that the BNP was, similar to Conservative voters in 2024 since this clip was in 2019.
except that's not what he said did he? he specifically said he wanted to give voters "a less racist option" , and that he destroyed the far right and the British National Party by stealing their votes this way.
Because the BNP were fucking idiots, I remember back in the day seeing them completely stumble a debate and even made some weird sock puppet 'children's show' where they just went on and on about race.
Nigel isn't positioning himself as 'far right', just RIGHT. Having a working immigration policy doesn't need to focused on race since a working immigration policy NATURALLY excludes certain 'cultures' by default.
FTFY
Anyone who thinks racism is bad is a leftist.
It is when it's the ONLY thing you fixate on.
I care more about the character of the people coming and volume than anything else. I don't want mass migration from Californians as much as I don't want mass migration from Pakistan.
Needs to be skill based, on willingness to integrate and capped by number allowed.
culture is downstream from race. Import indians and you get india, import africans and you get africa. This is the fact of the matter.
If you sent all the Norwegians to Kenya and all the Kenyans to Norway, in a years time, Norway would become 3rd world and Kenya would become first world
I don't know what you were smoking but lay off it for that conclusion mate. Culture is a mix of not just racial but ENVIRONMENTAL factors. You are sliding it down so much to race you ignore ALL the context of WHY they are such a problem.
Ok so let's look at why the illegals in Europe are a problem: they get free hand outs so don't work to give back into society plus that would force them to integrate and learn skills, they are given lighter treatment compared to the native population even for serious offenses like rape and they are not unified group so bring their PREVIOUS grudges with them leading to more sectarian violence on the streets.
So what about the reverse example you gave, we just mass imported Norwegians to Kenya. Well there DEFINITELY wouldn't be any handouts, the environment would be a hazard as while winter might be a bitch for illegals if the establishment didn't give them hotels unlike native homeless in Europe, the Norwegians would suffer massively from heat exhaustion, it'd be hard to adapt the land compared to Norway as it took DECADES to turn some of these places into breadbaskets like Rhodesia was and unlike Europe, you don't have to worry about literal tribal war.
It isn't JUST a race issue, if Europe treated illegals like it's native homeless population, they'd not have as many of them by the millions.
Africans never even invented the wheel.
China never developed glass as much as Europe because they preferred tea whereas Europeans grew grapes for wine more so vastly developed glass to showcase it more leading to a technological edge.
Have a better argument to disprove 'muh environment factors'
We already did that study. Twice. They're called South Africa and Rhodesia. Both were incredibly successful when Whites were in charge and have gone straight to the shitter as soon as Africans were given power.
Yes but that was done a century ago, are you saying now, with current environment that has let land go to waste and current regional powers as that's a factor too they'd be so successful? That's why I am making the argument, as people are hyper focusing on race than forgetting the WILLFUL submission and cucking of the western establishment and authority to the illegals.
Only a leftist is capable of the cognitive dissonance necessary observe the behavior and beliefs of Jews and Muslims and arrive at the conclusion that the former are the bigger threat to civilization.
^^^Of course the guy who comes to the conclusion that muslims are a bigger threat to civilization than jews, would hate the BNP. You people hate any form of White nationalism.
Siding with Muslims is White nationalism. K. Got it. Good talk.
Typical zionist pretends that if you think jews are a bigger threat than Muslims to civilization, that means you side with muslims
Not a Zionist. I don't want another penny of my tax money to be used to prop up Israel. That doesn't change the fact that Muslims are objectively worse: more violent, more disruptive, much more of a drain on our resources, and by far a bigger geopolitical threat.
But that's not even the point. The point is that nobody wants your shit. There is a reason that every fed and third columnist who wants to undermine and discredit any right-wing space immediately resorts to your talking points to achieve their goal. And that is that you are kryptonite. You are as repulsive to anyone with any common sense as a rabid sewer rat. Not even the Zoomer right will ever accept you. You will continue to burn with impotent resentment and histrionic desperation in your isolated corner of the internet long after the political paradigm has fully shifted.
Where did I say anything about jews or muslims? You're deranged.
did you miss the part where he admitted that the British National Party had been starting to look like a real competitor in politics in the 2000's until he came along to screw it up?
Except that was never true. For the sake of this conversation, I'll credit you with the assumption that you are actually sincere in your beliefs and not a fed whose sole purpose is to derail this forum, so here's the thing:
Outside your little pol/conpro echo chamber, nobody wants your shit. No matter how strong and mainstream the new right becomes as a political force in the West, it will always be in spite of you, not because of you, and you will always be left out of it.
So i guess you aren't going to answer the question are you? The fact of the matter is that Reform Party is similar to Jordan Peterson. Something to quell and moderate the far right when the globalists get scared that the far right might be gaining power https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXYuqrO8LLo
The BNP has been a spent force since nick griffin did his own hatchet job on it live on TV. They went from political threat to outright insignificance in an hour
I did answer the question you inimitable retard. The BNP was never in a position for electoral success, and never would have been.
No you didn't . The leader of the Reform party openly admits in this video that BNP had been gaining power until he came along and sabotaged them
The BNP never got more than 2% of the vote in any election and never would have.