Both TNG and STD have an episode focused around a social misfit character. In TNG the crew work hard to integrate him with the team and help him, he has several recurring appearances and grows as a person. In STD the misfit character is grilled by a series of HR karens, humiliated and ultimately murdered by the shows writers to own the patriarchy.
If you like I could run that through an AI voice generator and mash it on top of some subway surfer footage for you.
Both TNG and STD have an episode focused around a social misfit character. In TNG the crew work hard to integrate him with the team and help him, he has several recurring appearances and grows as a person.
He'd go on to also be in First Contact as well as Voyager where his autism superpower helped the Federation make contact with Voyager finally.
I'm sure the ownage was huge in your head but thanks for the summation :)
If what the person below me has replied is correct you're thinking about Murdock from The A-Team's character and then yes, society in the Federation accepts socially awkward characters and notes their ill-fitting into everyday culture but doesn't attack it and STD is a steaming pile of shit.
I would suggest not watching anything post-Enterprise as Trek has lost it's way more than it had ever before. I'm up for exploring the before part if you wish but anything Abrams forward is as close to Trek as Eric Bana's character's summation of seeing Romulus be destroyed in his role as Nero in Star Trek 09.
In my head, at least, that is how one flees into being a Trek fan and no, I didn't watch Picard season 3 and neither did anyone who loved TNG.
Well also, at least most of the people involved with that episode (notably Jonathan Frakes), at least had the graciousness to apologize for it, afterward.
Ain't nobody apologizing for the multiple abominations of nu-Trek, or at least, if they have, I haven't seen it!
Ain't nobody apologizing for the multiple abominations of nu-Trek, or at least, if they have, I haven't seen it!
The most they'd do is demand the fans apologize for not sucking them off hard enough. The makers of "nu-Trek" have egos that are inversely proportional to their ability to make a watchable television show.
Not even a Trekky but I have seen my share thanks to my dad and I would agree too. Loved some of the movies at least. Saw by chance one of the newer movies, it feels very iPhone design, that's not the enterprise.
I still need to get more in Star Trek, tried once with TNG, never got too far mostly cuz it's tons of episodes and at the time I was lazy.
I wouldn't even call it good. Just not total shit like the rest. I'd put every season of the real 5 ST series, TOS, TNG,DS9,VOY, and ENT above Season 3 of Picard. Yep, even Move Along Home and Threshold are more watchable than Season 3 of Picard. But Picard S3 is leaps and bounds better than all other nu-Trek. It's at the top of the list for everything post Enterprise, but still below everything Enterprise and prior. S3 of Picard still suffers from the awful single story "8 hour movie cut into 10 segments" type of story telling, it's still overly grim and dark, still uses overplayed and hackneyed plot points, ignores massive amounts of previously established lore and character development, only tried to capture the essence of real Trek maybe two or three times in the whole series, but doesn't even pull it off because it relies too much on surface level emotion tugging memberberries, and at the end of the day it's still forced to pretend the previous two seasons happened, so that thousand ton boat anchor dragged it down no matter what it tried to do.
I pirated it and didn't hate watching it. That's about all the praise I can give it. I'll never rewatch it and I don't consider it or any other part of Picard canon. It had a handful of "I guess it's neat seeing that mentioned again for the first time in 20 years" moments, but overall it repaired about 1% of the damage the rest of nu-Trek inflicted on the franchise. I appreciate the effort Terry Matalas made in trying to make something that wasn't smugly and deliberately trying to shit in the mouth of Trek fans, but it was too little too late.
It's a shame, because there could have been a really compelling story in Picard with better writers who know and respect what came before. DS9 gave them a perfect setup for that kind of story. You write it so that the Dominion War changed the Federation and Starfleet for the worse. The younger generation grew up and joined Starfleet when it was nothing but fighting the Maquis, then the brief war with the Klingons, then years of war against the Dominion. It made it so the older generation of explorers and diplomats like Picard are edged out by cynical warrior type captains and admirals. Picard is "gently encouraged" to retire as Starfleet command no longer respects his optimism. Same with the rest of the crew moving on to more "out to pasture" roles like Geordi taking command of the museum. Introduce a new threat that the militarized Starfleet reacts to with wanting to use force, but Picard is somehow aware that diplomacy is the only solution, and go from there. Throw in some Bajor joining the Federation, the rebuilding of Cardassia post-war, an appearance of Chancellor Martok to get a Klingon angle, the truce with the Romulans starting to show cracks now that the war is over, etc. There's plenty there for a good writer to work with. End the series with a new crew on a new Enterprise (and not stupidly renaming a tiny obsolete Constitution class v3, but a real top of the line flagship), maybe ask a few of the Voyager or DS9 actors who haven't had steady work if they want to be in it. Maybe a Captain Harry Kim or Tom Paris. Throw in an adult Jake Sisco as a civilian in some sort of role documenting the new journeys. Round out the crew with some fresh faces and then have that series go back to classic 1 episode 1 plot storytelling adventures.
Related - The Difference between TNG and Star Trek Discovery / Short Trek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnlxugk3Qb0
Rather than related...
How about a summation?
Just, you know...I've other things that I might do...
Both TNG and STD have an episode focused around a social misfit character. In TNG the crew work hard to integrate him with the team and help him, he has several recurring appearances and grows as a person. In STD the misfit character is grilled by a series of HR karens, humiliated and ultimately murdered by the shows writers to own the patriarchy.
If you like I could run that through an AI voice generator and mash it on top of some subway surfer footage for you.
He'd go on to also be in First Contact as well as Voyager where his autism superpower helped the Federation make contact with Voyager finally.
We are talking about Reg, yes? 👀
That's MISTER Barclay to you, ensign!
I'm sure the ownage was huge in your head but thanks for the summation :)
If what the person below me has replied is correct you're thinking about Murdock from The A-Team's character and then yes, society in the Federation accepts socially awkward characters and notes their ill-fitting into everyday culture but doesn't attack it and STD is a steaming pile of shit.
I would suggest not watching anything post-Enterprise as Trek has lost it's way more than it had ever before. I'm up for exploring the before part if you wish but anything Abrams forward is as close to Trek as Eric Bana's character's summation of seeing Romulus be destroyed in his role as Nero in Star Trek 09.
In my head, at least, that is how one flees into being a Trek fan and no, I didn't watch Picard season 3 and neither did anyone who loved TNG.
There are tons of Trekkies who refuse to acknowledge any official Trek past '09. I'm one of them, too!
I could talk Trek all day and am devastated that the last episode of Enterprise was the one that we got.
Not a graceful way to bow out but still miles above everything that came after it :)
Well also, at least most of the people involved with that episode (notably Jonathan Frakes), at least had the graciousness to apologize for it, afterward.
Ain't nobody apologizing for the multiple abominations of nu-Trek, or at least, if they have, I haven't seen it!
The most they'd do is demand the fans apologize for not sucking them off hard enough. The makers of "nu-Trek" have egos that are inversely proportional to their ability to make a watchable television show.
Not even a Trekky but I have seen my share thanks to my dad and I would agree too. Loved some of the movies at least. Saw by chance one of the newer movies, it feels very iPhone design, that's not the enterprise.
I still need to get more in Star Trek, tried once with TNG, never got too far mostly cuz it's tons of episodes and at the time I was lazy.
There are so many TV shows that get off on humiliating men.
Almost like that “race2dinner” where 2 black women charge $2000 to tell white women how racist they are.
So you want men to dress in drag and play women characters, including romantic scenes?
Sounds like you're the fag...
Reason Picard Season 3 is the only good piece of all that media.
I wouldn't even call it good. Just not total shit like the rest. I'd put every season of the real 5 ST series, TOS, TNG,DS9,VOY, and ENT above Season 3 of Picard. Yep, even Move Along Home and Threshold are more watchable than Season 3 of Picard. But Picard S3 is leaps and bounds better than all other nu-Trek. It's at the top of the list for everything post Enterprise, but still below everything Enterprise and prior. S3 of Picard still suffers from the awful single story "8 hour movie cut into 10 segments" type of story telling, it's still overly grim and dark, still uses overplayed and hackneyed plot points, ignores massive amounts of previously established lore and character development, only tried to capture the essence of real Trek maybe two or three times in the whole series, but doesn't even pull it off because it relies too much on surface level emotion tugging memberberries, and at the end of the day it's still forced to pretend the previous two seasons happened, so that thousand ton boat anchor dragged it down no matter what it tried to do.
I pirated it and didn't hate watching it. That's about all the praise I can give it. I'll never rewatch it and I don't consider it or any other part of Picard canon. It had a handful of "I guess it's neat seeing that mentioned again for the first time in 20 years" moments, but overall it repaired about 1% of the damage the rest of nu-Trek inflicted on the franchise. I appreciate the effort Terry Matalas made in trying to make something that wasn't smugly and deliberately trying to shit in the mouth of Trek fans, but it was too little too late.
It's a shame, because there could have been a really compelling story in Picard with better writers who know and respect what came before. DS9 gave them a perfect setup for that kind of story. You write it so that the Dominion War changed the Federation and Starfleet for the worse. The younger generation grew up and joined Starfleet when it was nothing but fighting the Maquis, then the brief war with the Klingons, then years of war against the Dominion. It made it so the older generation of explorers and diplomats like Picard are edged out by cynical warrior type captains and admirals. Picard is "gently encouraged" to retire as Starfleet command no longer respects his optimism. Same with the rest of the crew moving on to more "out to pasture" roles like Geordi taking command of the museum. Introduce a new threat that the militarized Starfleet reacts to with wanting to use force, but Picard is somehow aware that diplomacy is the only solution, and go from there. Throw in some Bajor joining the Federation, the rebuilding of Cardassia post-war, an appearance of Chancellor Martok to get a Klingon angle, the truce with the Romulans starting to show cracks now that the war is over, etc. There's plenty there for a good writer to work with. End the series with a new crew on a new Enterprise (and not stupidly renaming a tiny obsolete Constitution class v3, but a real top of the line flagship), maybe ask a few of the Voyager or DS9 actors who haven't had steady work if they want to be in it. Maybe a Captain Harry Kim or Tom Paris. Throw in an adult Jake Sisco as a civilian in some sort of role documenting the new journeys. Round out the crew with some fresh faces and then have that series go back to classic 1 episode 1 plot storytelling adventures.
Immersion ruined! 😮
Remember, Harry Kim died EARLY in the series.
Harry Kims died a lot in Voyager.