The border hoppers likely wouldn't because the coyotes and other methods needed to cross only go one way, so they physically wouldn't be able to for most of them.
I disagree. The border hoppers are doing it because crossing the border illegally is more beneficial than crossing it legally. We've set up a system where we incentivize people to cross illegally in almost all possible cases. Almost all of their illegal trips are sponsored by NGO's, foreign governments, and massive investments. They could easily get a plane ticket back to their home countries, even if they burned their passport. They wouldn't have a support network to re-migrate them, but they wouldn't need it either. They'd just need a hundred bucks or so, and they'd be back in their home countries by the end of the day.
Heck one of my big local rings is a fully legal Mexican fellow who simply snaps up every dude who arrives, forces them into 7 day a week for 200$ month labor jobs and then collects on the huge contracts the corporations are actually paying for that work.
This I totally agree on, but I didn't bring it up because it's the supply side of the equation, while I was focusing on the demand side. We need a full-scale dragnet on the illegal employers. A lot of the isolationists want illegals shot, but honestly, these employers are the ones who need to be hit with the fullest extent of the law.
They'd just need a hundred bucks or so, and they'd be back in their home countries by the end of the day.
Why would their home country want them back? They are only given such free reign because they send back massive amounts of money to bolster the economy. If that train ended, few of them would get even the slightest leeway from their corrupt governments/cartels. They'd be landing at the airport with a truck waiting to bring them to some slave labor camp, not total freedom to just go about their lives.
Even if they could be welcomed back, they know what a shithole their country is. They'll rabble rabble about how bad America is but they know how good they have it compared to whereever they came from. The free money sponsored the trip, but that idea is why they chose to go on it in the first place.
Even if the gravy train of welfare and benefits ran out, there would always be guys like I mentioned above able to get them a life here that is still leagues above back home, even if its slavery relative to the rest of us. All that would happen is they would start turning on each other for the slimmer pickings instead of constantly trying to multiply.
Why would their home country want them back? They are only given such free reign because they send back massive amounts of money to bolster the economy.
Frankly, it wouldn't matter. I don't know many countries that try to stop their own citizens from re-entering their own country. There's no good way to stop illegals from returning, without stopping normal businessmen returning. Not unless there's some sort of Guatemalan TSA Pre-Check that I don't know about. And frankly, most of them go back pretty regularly anyway. They'll swing back and forth to go visit family and friends.
The free money sponsored the trip, but that idea is why they chose to go on it in the first place.
You're confusing people who want money with people who want to genuinely leave their country for a better place. They already constantly go back. Normally for weddings, holidays, sometimes to see families, they stay on the phone and want to hear about the latest news and drama. They are still fully invested in their home country, they just want to bring back remittances (whether legal or illegal). The vast majority of the time, their home countries are not shitty for them and their standards, which is why they replicate it as soon as they get here. These people don't want to leave their country, and think that their country is better anyway.
Put it like this, Somalians are leaving London to return to Somalia because it's safer. They're not doing it by boat, they're just buying a flight and going home. The boat migrant thing is just a procedural matter. Only the jihadis have an interest in Islamifying England into Shamal Al-Andalus. Most of the people themselves don't give a fuck about anyone, and want some cash that they otherwise might struggle to get (because someone might actually demand they work for money in Somalia)
Even if the gravy train of welfare and benefits ran out, there would always be guys like I mentioned above able to get them a life here that is still leagues above back home, even if its slavery relative to the rest of us. All that would happen is they would start turning on each other for the slimmer pickings instead of constantly trying to multiply.
And that's why we should go after the employers as hard as possible. That's the beauty of the prisoners' dilemma. We want them to turn on each other for lessened sentences.
I also return to the South regularly for family functions and meetings. If I had to stay there more than a week, especially interacting with the area outside my family for work/business, I'd throw an absolute shitfit and do everything to avoid it. I've even brought my own chunk of Southern culture with me outside it, but that's because I can choose to have the parts I like without having the consequence of the parts I hate. Most Mexicans I know speak and act similarly.
Somalians are leaving London to return to Somalia because it's safer
The European migrant problem isn't the same as the US one, not to any measure enough to consider the problems/solutions interchangeable. The Middle East isn't South America, illegals crossing the border isn't exactly "refugees escaping war," and so on. Its very similar in a lot of ways, but I didn't speak on it because I'm not nearly as interested or learned about Europe's bullshit.
Unless we are talking Minnesota, which is dealing with the Somali issue (thanks Obama), its an adjacent issue not the entire one.
We want them to turn on each other for lessened sentences.
And everything caught in the crossfire is just the cost of business? Niggers shooting one another shows that they don't just kill one another, they regularly destroy entire towns, families, and people besides themselves just to get to one another for scraps. The illegals would be no different, especially with an added layer of desperation and need to be unseen.
At that point, its just cowardice of wanting to keep your hands clean to not just start shooting them in bulk. It'll have the same end result, but less innocent suffering.
but that's because I can choose to have the parts I like without having the consequence of the parts I hate. Most Mexicans I know speak and act similarly.
I think the fact that you voluntarily left for greener pastures is still the problem. You took all the risk. You weren't promised infinite money forever, as well as a free place to live, and universal benefits.
That's, frankly, why we don't see massive internal migration crises. Pittsburg is not going to be "overwhelmed by migrants from Kentucky" because Kentuckians have to pay for everything out of pocket if they move. The only ones that do are the ones who really want to leave.
The European migrant problem isn't the same as the US one, not to any measure enough to consider the problems/solutions interchangeable.
There's interchangeability because there's a lot of NGO's pulling the same shit for the same reason. Which is why the Left recently tried to claim that the people coming across the southern border were "refugees". The point that matters is that when migrants move into a migrant shithole, they're a disincentive to stay.
And everything caught in the crossfire is just the cost of business?
You can't un-rape the dog. We don't live in a just world, and we have build a better one with our bare hands. That's the reality. Best we can do is stop the enablers so we can actually start to re-build.
And no fed-posting. You literally don't even need violence.
I disagree. The border hoppers are doing it because crossing the border illegally is more beneficial than crossing it legally. We've set up a system where we incentivize people to cross illegally in almost all possible cases. Almost all of their illegal trips are sponsored by NGO's, foreign governments, and massive investments. They could easily get a plane ticket back to their home countries, even if they burned their passport. They wouldn't have a support network to re-migrate them, but they wouldn't need it either. They'd just need a hundred bucks or so, and they'd be back in their home countries by the end of the day.
This I totally agree on, but I didn't bring it up because it's the supply side of the equation, while I was focusing on the demand side. We need a full-scale dragnet on the illegal employers. A lot of the isolationists want illegals shot, but honestly, these employers are the ones who need to be hit with the fullest extent of the law.
Why would their home country want them back? They are only given such free reign because they send back massive amounts of money to bolster the economy. If that train ended, few of them would get even the slightest leeway from their corrupt governments/cartels. They'd be landing at the airport with a truck waiting to bring them to some slave labor camp, not total freedom to just go about their lives.
Even if they could be welcomed back, they know what a shithole their country is. They'll rabble rabble about how bad America is but they know how good they have it compared to whereever they came from. The free money sponsored the trip, but that idea is why they chose to go on it in the first place.
Even if the gravy train of welfare and benefits ran out, there would always be guys like I mentioned above able to get them a life here that is still leagues above back home, even if its slavery relative to the rest of us. All that would happen is they would start turning on each other for the slimmer pickings instead of constantly trying to multiply.
Frankly, it wouldn't matter. I don't know many countries that try to stop their own citizens from re-entering their own country. There's no good way to stop illegals from returning, without stopping normal businessmen returning. Not unless there's some sort of Guatemalan TSA Pre-Check that I don't know about. And frankly, most of them go back pretty regularly anyway. They'll swing back and forth to go visit family and friends.
You're confusing people who want money with people who want to genuinely leave their country for a better place. They already constantly go back. Normally for weddings, holidays, sometimes to see families, they stay on the phone and want to hear about the latest news and drama. They are still fully invested in their home country, they just want to bring back remittances (whether legal or illegal). The vast majority of the time, their home countries are not shitty for them and their standards, which is why they replicate it as soon as they get here. These people don't want to leave their country, and think that their country is better anyway.
Put it like this, Somalians are leaving London to return to Somalia because it's safer. They're not doing it by boat, they're just buying a flight and going home. The boat migrant thing is just a procedural matter. Only the jihadis have an interest in Islamifying England into Shamal Al-Andalus. Most of the people themselves don't give a fuck about anyone, and want some cash that they otherwise might struggle to get (because someone might actually demand they work for money in Somalia)
And that's why we should go after the employers as hard as possible. That's the beauty of the prisoners' dilemma. We want them to turn on each other for lessened sentences.
I also return to the South regularly for family functions and meetings. If I had to stay there more than a week, especially interacting with the area outside my family for work/business, I'd throw an absolute shitfit and do everything to avoid it. I've even brought my own chunk of Southern culture with me outside it, but that's because I can choose to have the parts I like without having the consequence of the parts I hate. Most Mexicans I know speak and act similarly.
The European migrant problem isn't the same as the US one, not to any measure enough to consider the problems/solutions interchangeable. The Middle East isn't South America, illegals crossing the border isn't exactly "refugees escaping war," and so on. Its very similar in a lot of ways, but I didn't speak on it because I'm not nearly as interested or learned about Europe's bullshit.
Unless we are talking Minnesota, which is dealing with the Somali issue (thanks Obama), its an adjacent issue not the entire one.
And everything caught in the crossfire is just the cost of business? Niggers shooting one another shows that they don't just kill one another, they regularly destroy entire towns, families, and people besides themselves just to get to one another for scraps. The illegals would be no different, especially with an added layer of desperation and need to be unseen.
At that point, its just cowardice of wanting to keep your hands clean to not just start shooting them in bulk. It'll have the same end result, but less innocent suffering.
I think the fact that you voluntarily left for greener pastures is still the problem. You took all the risk. You weren't promised infinite money forever, as well as a free place to live, and universal benefits.
That's, frankly, why we don't see massive internal migration crises. Pittsburg is not going to be "overwhelmed by migrants from Kentucky" because Kentuckians have to pay for everything out of pocket if they move. The only ones that do are the ones who really want to leave.
There's interchangeability because there's a lot of NGO's pulling the same shit for the same reason. Which is why the Left recently tried to claim that the people coming across the southern border were "refugees". The point that matters is that when migrants move into a migrant shithole, they're a disincentive to stay.
You can't un-rape the dog. We don't live in a just world, and we have build a better one with our bare hands. That's the reality. Best we can do is stop the enablers so we can actually start to re-build.
And no fed-posting. You literally don't even need violence.