People still have this idea of a karmic universe where if you take the high road then the universe itself will reward you for it and vice versa for those who took the low. Which is a pretty natural belief and pounded in by most religions on top of it.
But we don't live in one of those universes, not anymore. Yet its a hard mindset to break because of how deeply ingrained it is.
It's a nice principle. We don't want to live in a society of cutthroats. People need the fear of God or some higher power. But people also need to understand there's a time for peace and a time for war, and we can't have the former without the latter.
This is an example of how the new, younger, unbelieving conservative right are sadly following after Babylon the harlet and Satan just like the left. This generation wants to start adopting leftist's "might makes right" tactics with no regard for what's true, what's right, only with what works in this world system.
It's sad to see.
And here's the thing, even if there was no God and morality didn't matter, only results through human effort, this would be doomed to failure anyways.
The time to start behaving like the left in order to gain the power of the left was decades ago while people were unaware, snatching up all the systems of power, education, entertainment, government, etc. That ship has sailed..Once that was accomplished forget about it. Our role is to suffer persecution and follow the lamb. If you want to have Satanic levels of control and power, then you either need a time machine to convince the right 50 or 60 years ago (at least) to act like the left is going to, or just go ahead and jump ship and become a leftist. Just stop being a conservative. If power is what you want, the left will happily welcome you into their fold if you tow their line.
The version of conservatives that abandon all Biblical principles in favor of moral relativism and evil tactics doesn't look much different than the leftists, so I don't know what they think they will accomplish. It's very short sighted to say the least. Do they think that the power crazed immoral conservatives that would succeed at beating the left at the their own game would suddenly become moral and create a moral society like what we had in the past the second they get in power?
And if I had a 100% guarantee that it would succeed, I wouldn't advocate it because it's wrong.
King David had an easy shot at getting at Saul, who God told David, that David would be king. All he had to do was kill Saul and he had won. Heck, God told David that he's the rightful king. What did David do? Did he do the easy tactic? All his peers were encouraging him to. No. He knew that God would rather he do what's right and he trusted God and he saved Saul's life allowing himself to continue to be pursued and persecuted. Shadraq, Mishaq and Abindigo had no promise that they wouldn't be killed by the furnace. They said, if God wants us to die, we'll die, but if he wants to preserve our life, then we will survive. They didn't worry about tactics. They worried about truth and righteousness.
All of this essay only matters if there exists only two options. Which is full evil or full "righteousness" with 100% commitment to either and every single tactic and option having been assigned to one or the other.
Apparently we can only let legions of children be molested and castrated, because to do things like "apply social pressures" and "directly protest the institutions" is just 'adopting the Left's tactics' and thereby bad. No in between options can exist, only 100% its bad. Just sit and make the decision that everyone must suffer because to act is bad and makes us just as bad as our enemies.
There exists more than just the two polar extremes, and to constantly push this false dichotomy is more evil than any of those "unbelieving conservatives" will ever reach.
That's a complete straw-man of what I advocated for. If all the left did was apply social pressures and directly protest institutions, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The left lie, cheat and steal and even resort to murder if they have to. They don't care about right or wrong, they don't care about truth. They act in complete accordance to ways of Satan. Applying social pressure, such as what Christians WERE doing back in the days when they were active in the culture, like when they'd protest Marilyn Manson concerts, or directly protest institutions are not at all a wrong thing to do.
I'm talking about the actual left's tactics.
It's convenient to say that Kavanaugh is a rapist so we'll say he's a rapist.
The right is doing the same thing with no regard for truth. It's convenient to say that Tom Hanks and all Hollywood people are pedophiles so we'll say they're pedophiles....evidence? pff, you're thinking like a conservative. We don't like him. It benefits us to say it, and therefore he is. Guilty until proven innocent if the target is someone we don't like. "What is truth?" as pontius pilate asked Jesus (Who IS the truth, the way and the life)
And I've had plenty of people sperg the exact same spiel you gave (though with less Satan allegories) about such miliquetoast tactics. Shit KIA1 spent a long time arguing that emailing advertisers is SJW tactics and thereby bad and we shouldn't do it anymore.
Again, you've just created a fully black/white dichotomy of "if its evil its Leftist tactics" and built everything off that platform. Which then leads into right back into "if the Left does it, its evil" cuckery that created the cucked Right we have right now. Its amusing you made the point about how they should've done something 60 years ago, then go on to repeat the same arguments they made to each other that ended with them not doing it and leading to this mess.
Also you shouldn't complain about strawmen when your entire argument is based on caricatures of other people's beliefs where they act in absurd blind extremism because it suits your argument. The entire original point was about pacifism regarding karma (or God as that seems to be your preference) leading people to complete inaction or worse, which then somehow became "those younger Righties will lie, cheat and steal!"
There is in fact a valley of "what works" between "staying clean by never going outside" and "devolving into inhumanity for victory at any cost."
People still have this idea of a karmic universe where if you take the high road then the universe itself will reward you for it and vice versa for those who took the low. Which is a pretty natural belief and pounded in by most religions on top of it.
But we don't live in one of those universes, not anymore. Yet its a hard mindset to break because of how deeply ingrained it is.
That's a good term for it.
It's a nice principle. We don't want to live in a society of cutthroats. People need the fear of God or some higher power. But people also need to understand there's a time for peace and a time for war, and we can't have the former without the latter.
This is an example of how the new, younger, unbelieving conservative right are sadly following after Babylon the harlet and Satan just like the left. This generation wants to start adopting leftist's "might makes right" tactics with no regard for what's true, what's right, only with what works in this world system.
It's sad to see.
And here's the thing, even if there was no God and morality didn't matter, only results through human effort, this would be doomed to failure anyways.
The time to start behaving like the left in order to gain the power of the left was decades ago while people were unaware, snatching up all the systems of power, education, entertainment, government, etc. That ship has sailed..Once that was accomplished forget about it. Our role is to suffer persecution and follow the lamb. If you want to have Satanic levels of control and power, then you either need a time machine to convince the right 50 or 60 years ago (at least) to act like the left is going to, or just go ahead and jump ship and become a leftist. Just stop being a conservative. If power is what you want, the left will happily welcome you into their fold if you tow their line.
The version of conservatives that abandon all Biblical principles in favor of moral relativism and evil tactics doesn't look much different than the leftists, so I don't know what they think they will accomplish. It's very short sighted to say the least. Do they think that the power crazed immoral conservatives that would succeed at beating the left at the their own game would suddenly become moral and create a moral society like what we had in the past the second they get in power?
And if I had a 100% guarantee that it would succeed, I wouldn't advocate it because it's wrong.
King David had an easy shot at getting at Saul, who God told David, that David would be king. All he had to do was kill Saul and he had won. Heck, God told David that he's the rightful king. What did David do? Did he do the easy tactic? All his peers were encouraging him to. No. He knew that God would rather he do what's right and he trusted God and he saved Saul's life allowing himself to continue to be pursued and persecuted. Shadraq, Mishaq and Abindigo had no promise that they wouldn't be killed by the furnace. They said, if God wants us to die, we'll die, but if he wants to preserve our life, then we will survive. They didn't worry about tactics. They worried about truth and righteousness.
All of this essay only matters if there exists only two options. Which is full evil or full "righteousness" with 100% commitment to either and every single tactic and option having been assigned to one or the other.
Apparently we can only let legions of children be molested and castrated, because to do things like "apply social pressures" and "directly protest the institutions" is just 'adopting the Left's tactics' and thereby bad. No in between options can exist, only 100% its bad. Just sit and make the decision that everyone must suffer because to act is bad and makes us just as bad as our enemies.
There exists more than just the two polar extremes, and to constantly push this false dichotomy is more evil than any of those "unbelieving conservatives" will ever reach.
That's a complete straw-man of what I advocated for. If all the left did was apply social pressures and directly protest institutions, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The left lie, cheat and steal and even resort to murder if they have to. They don't care about right or wrong, they don't care about truth. They act in complete accordance to ways of Satan. Applying social pressure, such as what Christians WERE doing back in the days when they were active in the culture, like when they'd protest Marilyn Manson concerts, or directly protest institutions are not at all a wrong thing to do.
I'm talking about the actual left's tactics.
It's convenient to say that Kavanaugh is a rapist so we'll say he's a rapist.
The right is doing the same thing with no regard for truth. It's convenient to say that Tom Hanks and all Hollywood people are pedophiles so we'll say they're pedophiles....evidence? pff, you're thinking like a conservative. We don't like him. It benefits us to say it, and therefore he is. Guilty until proven innocent if the target is someone we don't like. "What is truth?" as pontius pilate asked Jesus (Who IS the truth, the way and the life)
And I've had plenty of people sperg the exact same spiel you gave (though with less Satan allegories) about such miliquetoast tactics. Shit KIA1 spent a long time arguing that emailing advertisers is SJW tactics and thereby bad and we shouldn't do it anymore.
Again, you've just created a fully black/white dichotomy of "if its evil its Leftist tactics" and built everything off that platform. Which then leads into right back into "if the Left does it, its evil" cuckery that created the cucked Right we have right now. Its amusing you made the point about how they should've done something 60 years ago, then go on to repeat the same arguments they made to each other that ended with them not doing it and leading to this mess.
Also you shouldn't complain about strawmen when your entire argument is based on caricatures of other people's beliefs where they act in absurd blind extremism because it suits your argument. The entire original point was about pacifism regarding karma (or God as that seems to be your preference) leading people to complete inaction or worse, which then somehow became "those younger Righties will lie, cheat and steal!"
There is in fact a valley of "what works" between "staying clean by never going outside" and "devolving into inhumanity for victory at any cost."