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The Argument the left uses on the trial (ghostarchive.org)
posted 2 years ago by AlfredicEnglishRules 2 years ago by AlfredicEnglishRules +17 / -0
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– Ahaus667 25 points 2 years ago +25 / -0

Anytime a leftist uses “debunked” they are knowingly lying. They’re trying to set the “argument” into a framework that they can debate, or at least lie enough about to seem correct.

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 21 points 2 years ago +21 / -0

it's worse. they legitimately think that some smarter person who knows best has determined an item to be false after careful consideration in honestly weighing the facts.

they don't think for themselves.

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– Assassin47 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

A little from column A, a little from column B.

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– BandageBandolier 14 points 2 years ago +14 / -0

Perhaps the most common argument is that the charges against Trump were "obscure" and "entirely unprecedented."

On the most basic level, this is false. The same office has prosecuted dozens of cases of first-degree falsification of business records over the last 15 years.

Case in point, right away. 1 or 2 cases per year in a country of 300+ million definitely already qualifies as "obscure". But even that comparison only works "on the most basic level" by looking at all charges in the same general category rather than looking only for contextually similar charges. That's a categorization just barely less useless than saying "Hitler and Merkel are both German ex-chancellors. So Germany regularly elects people like Hitler."

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– FrozeInFear 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Just nitpicking numbers:

1 or 2 cases per year in a country of 300+ million

The same office

The office's domain is not the whole country, and not every citizen has business records to report.
Your point still stands because there can be tons of individual expenses that businesses have to organize and categorize for reporting to the IRS, state, and stakeholders.

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– BandageBandolier 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Fair point, I had got a little gung ho with the napkin math.

I'm not the only one though, I double checked the "dozens" were all from the New York office and not actually weaseled from a nationwide list. Found their presumed source and it's 28 cases.

Which is including a large number of cases where prison corrections officers falsifying reports after inmates were assaulted weirdly comes under "falsifying business records". Lots of cases where it's a ancillary charge alongside class B felonies like insurance fraud or grand larceny. Less than 5 actually comparable cases where falsifying is the only charge, usually in connection with bribery.

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– fauxgnaws 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

"without evidence" means there's conclusive evidence and they know it, but the person didn't stop in the middle of their speech and list out a bunch of cites that any reporter could find in 5 minutes of search.

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