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Look at these subhuman faggots (twitter.com)
posted 11 months ago by Cronosmax2 11 months ago by Cronosmax2 +39 / -3
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– AntonioOfVenice -3 points 11 months ago +1 / -4

No idea where you got that random point of contention from

I don't think it's minor. We only saw the Nazis at their worst - starting needless wars and committing genocide. Communism managed to evolve into something less repellent, at least in the USSR. And what's more, communism managed to be dismantled with barely any bloodshed. One of the 20th century's totalitarianisms took a massive war to end, the other one ended because Yeltsin climbed on a tank and spouted drunken nonsense.

or why all your comments here make dev sound practically "far-right",

Because people don't make judgments based on accurate history, but based on their politics. That's why you say 'far-right'. There should be nothing preventing someone who is far-left from concluding that communism is worse than Nazism, if the historical record warrants it.

Let's be real though. The reason people think Nazism is worse is not because of history, but because (1) they lost and (2) the countries inhabited by those countries fought a war against Nazis. If you visit other countries, like the Middle East, they may use 'fascist' and 'Hitler' as insults, but they don't have a similar sense of Nazi evil (and not just because they hate Jews), no more than you think Genghis Khan was 'evil' - but people in the ME do.

Just on both time and space scales they lasted longer and had more territory, so they had more opportunity to do evil.

And like I said, they got the opportunity to change into a less repellent form. In theory, Nazism could have evolved similarly into a less malignant form. Or it could have gotten worse. If Hitler had died in 1938, he would have been regarded as the greatest German leader - and perhaps leader of any country - in human history. He lived long enough to start wars that he lost and commit genocide, so he soiled whatever achievements he did have.

Beyond that you would need to do a point by point comparison of notable acts perpetrated by each regime or enabled by them, and determine if each act was binary good or evil (or how evil graded on an Evillness Scale) and what the impact of the act was, which you could determine by a proxy like number of people affected.

I agree. But no one actually does that, because no one actually cares about Nazis or communists beyond their use as instruments of polemic.

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– Assassin47 4 points 11 months ago +4 / -0

Nobody else here is trying to argue that the USSR in the 1970s and 1980s was more evil than the short-lived Nazi regime. (but you could easily argue that) They're saying communism is worse than the national socialists were, which it is. I will say that as someone not pro-Hitler who would not wish to live under either totalitarian state.

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– AntonioOfVenice -2 points 11 months ago +1 / -3

Nobody else here is trying to argue that the USSR in the 1970s and 1980s was more evil than the short-lived Nazi regime. (but you could easily argue that)

I'm interested in that 'easy argument'. It seems very hard to me. Of course, picking an arbitrary period is a bit unfair - you might as well take Germany from 1933 through July 1938, but even then it was preparing for a war of aggression with the USSR wasn't.

They're saying communism is worse than the national socialists were

Would that not imply that the USSR in the 1970s and 80s is worse than the Nazi regime?

I will say that as someone not pro-Hitler who would not wish to live under either totalitarian state.

Good! That's the kind of person I'm interested in hearing from. Not a gotcha, I'm really curious as to how you view this matter.

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– 83671R18 1 point 11 months ago +1 / -0

Communism managed to evolve into something less repellent

Communists were the first ideologues to specifically try to create a subsapient slave race.

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