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Doctor Who isn't for white dudes. (archive.ph)
posted 2 years ago by Mpetey123 2 years ago by Mpetey123 +49 / -0
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– SoctaticMethod1 25 points 2 years ago +25 / -0

The funny thing is they try to bring in Martha who was black and Captain Jack who's gay real life, in the show think he has FEW limits it's the reason we have the Harkness rule, to say that THEIR introduction caused backlash.

This, as someone who used to watch Doctor Who, I do not at all remember that, only a bit of trepidation with new characters just because they were new. But the main reason why was they were Characters FIRST not just diversity traits. Martha was a medical doctor first before she was black, Jack was a scoundrel first before anything to do with sex came up.

The reason why people had a reaction to the female doctor was because YOU pushed that more than what kind of Doctor she was, and now we got a gay fag (notice how I never call Jack this) going ON about his skin colour and sexuality, people know you can't write characters only charactures.

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– CarmenOfSandiego 15 points 2 years ago +15 / -0

Jack was a scoundrel first before anything to do with sex came up.

Torchwood on the other hand made sure to remind the audience every chance it got how awful every single character in the show was.

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– SoctaticMethod1 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

Which was a shame as first season was promising since you had the darker show with Torchwood and the more child friendly show of Sarah Jane in the same universe.

The latter stopped when the main actor died irl and the former fissled out due to its writing. You can see how bad the writers were getting that if they wanted a female Doctor without the risks, you do realise there was an episode where the Doctor gets a cloned daughter and she's STILL alive...

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– CarmenOfSandiego 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

the Doctor gets a cloned daughter

Tennent married her.

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– SoctaticMethod1 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

For a second I thought you meant in universe not IRL, I was going to say that is a REALLY dumb plot lol

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– bamboozler1 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Also Martha was attractive. That helped.

I found Martha’s mother excruciating, but that was more to do with her being a Karen, than her being black…

What’s the Harkness rule, lol?

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– SoctaticMethod1 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Yeah I did find Martha one of the more attractive companions in Doctor who which did help, also her run was quite a lot darker compared to others what with the Angels, the living sun, the family of Blood then the Master straight up gemociding to the song Voodoo Child.

The Harkness test is one used by Jack to whether or not you can have sex with humans and non humans, it's these 3 criteria:

Does this character have human intelligence (or greater)?

”Can it talk or otherwise communicate with language?”

“Is it of maturity for its species?”

This is what seperates the furries from the zoophiles as according to the test most pokemon fail but Mass Effect aliens are fair game.

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– bamboozler1 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Ah, I see...

Similar concept in Star Wars, which I am more familiar with.

Although for some reason Star Wars uses panspermia (Humans and Mandalorians both originate on Coruscant), and the criteria is mostly "can they interbreed and produce fertile offspring", rather than any ethical concerns...

Obviously Trek tackled these things, too, but I feel like that is too complex for me to bother reading up on, lol. And it seemed to flip flop depending on the series/era, too.

But I admittedly had not heard of the Star Wars test. Makes sense, though.

I suppose we could add Battlestar Galactica to this discussion, except that in that instance they are cyborgs rather than aliens. Man do they ever bone a lot (in the new series, more so than the old one), though...

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– BetterDaysStill 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Good characterisation will always make undesirable traits less grating. That's what makes entertainment so effective at normalizing them.

Given that the BBC chose a flaming faggot to reboot a long running series, one which was already quite liberal in theme, I find it hard to believe this wasn't always the intention.

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