Considering Ukraine has the "they bombed the fuck out of civilians" card to play with rage, why SHOULDN'T they be behind it? I can see them wanting to deny it, though, to try to keep the moral upper hand in sheeple eyes.
I remember when Ukraine bombed a train station full of evacuating civies just to blame Russia for it until the missile was shown and then they quickly made an excuse and it was never heard about again.
This attack was at least against their enemy's civilians.
Considering Ukraine has the "they bombed the fuck out of civilians" card to play with rage
Not minimizing that - war is hell, and Russia has committed atrocities which are in no way diminished by this, and for which they should be condemned - but Ukraine has a seemingly much bigger (recent) record of bombing the fuck out of civilians. Ukraine was shelling the fuck out of Ukrainians for years before the current war everyone is told to care about started. Replacing corrupt Eastern European "democracy" with Western-style Democracy™ only exacerbated things, and the Russian invasion only cranked shit up even further, and incentivized more atrocities to then blame on the Russkies.
Yeah most NPCs think this entire Ukr v Rus shit started with the 2022 invasion. They don't know about the Ukr shelling of the Eastern 1/5 of Ukraine since 2015. The ethnic cleansing gangs and all that. Same NPCs don't know about the Holodomor either. There's ancient beef here.
We never should have gotten involved to begin with, but.. who else would have laundered all that money? Somebody think of all the politician's children those kickbacks feed haha
I thought it was strange how involved the Bidens were with Ukraine, even back during Obama's time. They received millions in bribes. I was utterly unsurprised to see them sending kickbacks on the US' taxpayers' dime, now that they're allegedly in charge of the government.
The US' response would have been very different if the dems hadn't stolen the election with voter fraud, had Trump still been recognized as President. Assuming the war would have even started, which is uncertain.
Fun fact, according to Ukraine's own stats, the supposed "Russian atrocities against civilians" have about 10% more casualties than... pre-war Ukrainian road traffic. This is like the shittiest genocide in history - that, or the Russians are taking extreme care not to hit civilians. (Compare and contrast with "Shock and Awe" and "Bomb them back into the Stone Age")
Ukraine seems like it wants to shake Moscow's cage. A lot of Russians are convinced that the Ukraine-Russia war is not a big deal, etc. Bringing attacks to Moscow soil help shake that illusion.
It would be terribly naive to think that something (while very tragic) so small would cause Russia to go "oop! let's quit invading Ukraine and go fuck up an ISIS country now!" so I'm puzzled what benefit Ukraine would have to put so much effort into a false flag operation.
I'm puzzled what benefit Ukraine would have to put so much effort into a false flag operation.
Maybe not Ukraine, but their handlers. Some people thrive and profit off of chaos. I don't think this would end the war, just make things more desperate and messy.
Yep. Gotta shake the tree for some more money. Ukraine is run by Western banks, politicians and corporations now. Their local government just divides the bribe money. They are never paying off that 'rebuilding' debt. It's Blackrock's country now. Russia is just helping them flatten all the land for extra agriculture and automated prison space (inadverantly I woud think).
As far as I can tell, Kiev has a pathological hatred of ethnic Russian people stretching back centuries and egged on by warmongers like Victoria Nuland.
Considering Ukraine has the "they bombed the fuck out of civilians" card to play with rage, why SHOULDN'T they be behind it? I can see them wanting to deny it, though, to try to keep the moral upper hand in sheeple eyes.
I remember when Ukraine bombed a train station full of evacuating civies just to blame Russia for it until the missile was shown and then they quickly made an excuse and it was never heard about again.
This attack was at least against their enemy's civilians.
Not minimizing that - war is hell, and Russia has committed atrocities which are in no way diminished by this, and for which they should be condemned - but Ukraine has a seemingly much bigger (recent) record of bombing the fuck out of civilians. Ukraine was shelling the fuck out of Ukrainians for years before the current war everyone is told to care about started. Replacing corrupt Eastern European "democracy" with Western-style Democracy™ only exacerbated things, and the Russian invasion only cranked shit up even further, and incentivized more atrocities to then blame on the Russkies.
Yeah most NPCs think this entire Ukr v Rus shit started with the 2022 invasion. They don't know about the Ukr shelling of the Eastern 1/5 of Ukraine since 2015. The ethnic cleansing gangs and all that. Same NPCs don't know about the Holodomor either. There's ancient beef here.
We never should have gotten involved to begin with, but.. who else would have laundered all that money? Somebody think of all the politician's children those kickbacks feed haha
I thought it was strange how involved the Bidens were with Ukraine, even back during Obama's time. They received millions in bribes. I was utterly unsurprised to see them sending kickbacks on the US' taxpayers' dime, now that they're allegedly in charge of the government. The US' response would have been very different if the dems hadn't stolen the election with voter fraud, had Trump still been recognized as President. Assuming the war would have even started, which is uncertain.
Fun fact, according to Ukraine's own stats, the supposed "Russian atrocities against civilians" have about 10% more casualties than... pre-war Ukrainian road traffic. This is like the shittiest genocide in history - that, or the Russians are taking extreme care not to hit civilians. (Compare and contrast with "Shock and Awe" and "Bomb them back into the Stone Age")
Ukraine seems like it wants to shake Moscow's cage. A lot of Russians are convinced that the Ukraine-Russia war is not a big deal, etc. Bringing attacks to Moscow soil help shake that illusion.
It would be terribly naive to think that something (while very tragic) so small would cause Russia to go "oop! let's quit invading Ukraine and go fuck up an ISIS country now!" so I'm puzzled what benefit Ukraine would have to put so much effort into a false flag operation.
Maybe not Ukraine, but their handlers. Some people thrive and profit off of chaos. I don't think this would end the war, just make things more desperate and messy.
Yep. Gotta shake the tree for some more money. Ukraine is run by Western banks, politicians and corporations now. Their local government just divides the bribe money. They are never paying off that 'rebuilding' debt. It's Blackrock's country now. Russia is just helping them flatten all the land for extra agriculture and automated prison space (inadverantly I woud think).
As far as I can tell, Kiev has a pathological hatred of ethnic Russian people stretching back centuries and egged on by warmongers like Victoria Nuland.