this will be unpopular here, but I actually agree with this sentence. handing a minor a weapon, and then that minor committing a murder with that weapon, should absolutely be a manslaughter charge. this should apply universally.
They didn't "hand him a weapon" they bought him a gun to shoot with when they go to the range. He took it from the safe and committed murder. This is just ammo for grabbers pushing "safe storage" laws.
the question would then become: did the parents give the kid full access to the safe? if not, then the kid stole the gun and I agree the parents should not be charged.
If a parent gives their kid a condom and they go on to rape someone with it, should they be charged for that too? Should they be responsible for any car accidents their kid has?
Where is the line where a minor is finally accountable for their own actions?
Yes, so long as they are responsible for the kid. If a kid is not trustworthy with adult tools, don't fucking trust them with adult tools!
Also, the parent is not a scapegoat for the minor. The minor should have the full weight of the law thrown at them. However, the parents are not blameless either and should be held accountable.
They are held accountable if their kid gets in a car crash. The insurance rises and extra scrutiny is given. Also, they now have to drive their kid around while buying a new car.
That's not at all the same. This sentence is a demonstration of criminal accountability, where the government is forcibly punishing the parents using the judicial system. Your example is one of material accountability, where the parents are freely choosing to buy something to replace what their kid broke.
At what age? What would make gifting the 17yo son a rifle different from gifting the 18yo son a rifle?
What if there are no other aggravating factors? (say, unlike this case, there is no history of violence, or mental illness, and the parents are involved in their kid's life and taught proper gun safety)
Should this have been applied to shooting/marksmanship classes that used to be popular in American schools? If one of the students starts shooting people the teacher/school is to blame? Well maybe people did start blaming the schools. I guess that's why we can't have nice things any more.
minors are not legal adults, and do not share the same rights as legal adults. there is always someone responsible for a minor. if a minor commits a murder using tools that the adult willingly gave them, the adult should have some responsibility in that.
this is not to take responsibility away from the minor. At the end of the day, they are responsible for their actions as well and should be disciplined accordingly.
Better round up all the parents of kids that do skeet shooting or other gun sports right? I mean how could those irresponsible monsters do that? Take away archery too just in case and of course no more hunting
you should read the comment you're replying to in its entirety before you type.
skeet shooting and target shooting are not crimes, and neither is possession of a weapon if you meet the minimum age requirement or are under supervision of a legal adult.
murder is a crime.
the parent giving a minor a weapon means that parent trusts that minor to be responsible with that weapon. no parent should ever hand their kids a gun if the parent is not absolutely sure the kid knows the basics of shooting safety, and has the minimum level of integrity to not commit a murder with it. (unless of course the miner is receiving instruction in the responsible handling of guns)
No dumbass, but if you trust the kid with that gun and they go and commit a murder with it then now you are liable so now every parent of a kid who are in sports like this is now liable according to the ruling of this judge. I read your comment perfectly fine and I don’t think you understand what you’re talking about.
if your kid is liable to commit a murder, you've got other issues on your hands. a good parent who raised their kids right has nothing to worry about.
parents are responsible for their children. if the parent decided to let their kid be raised by an iPad instead of raising them themselves, that's their own problem. if someone dies because of their poor parenting, you can be sure as shit they share in the responsibility.
or do you think the parents of those dipshit teens pointing guns at the camera for their profile pics and dressing like gangsters are blameless?
this will be unpopular here, but I actually agree with this sentence. handing a minor a weapon, and then that minor committing a murder with that weapon, should absolutely be a manslaughter charge. this should apply universally.
They didn't "hand him a weapon" they bought him a gun to shoot with when they go to the range. He took it from the safe and committed murder. This is just ammo for grabbers pushing "safe storage" laws.
the question would then become: did the parents give the kid full access to the safe? if not, then the kid stole the gun and I agree the parents should not be charged.
If a parent gives their kid a condom and they go on to rape someone with it, should they be charged for that too? Should they be responsible for any car accidents their kid has?
Where is the line where a minor is finally accountable for their own actions?
Yes, so long as they are responsible for the kid. If a kid is not trustworthy with adult tools, don't fucking trust them with adult tools!
Also, the parent is not a scapegoat for the minor. The minor should have the full weight of the law thrown at them. However, the parents are not blameless either and should be held accountable.
They are held accountable if their kid gets in a car crash. The insurance rises and extra scrutiny is given. Also, they now have to drive their kid around while buying a new car.
That's not at all the same. This sentence is a demonstration of criminal accountability, where the government is forcibly punishing the parents using the judicial system. Your example is one of material accountability, where the parents are freely choosing to buy something to replace what their kid broke.
Insurance rates go up. Go to jail.
Same thing!
Insurance can be in the kid's name. It doesn't have to be on the parents' policy.
It still goes up. Insurance becomes the law, and they don't want to spend money.
this won't be enforced fairly and you know it.
nevertheless it should be.
no, it's a complete abortion of a ruling and the judge should be sacked for it.
At what age? What would make gifting the 17yo son a rifle different from gifting the 18yo son a rifle?
What if there are no other aggravating factors? (say, unlike this case, there is no history of violence, or mental illness, and the parents are involved in their kid's life and taught proper gun safety)
Should this have been applied to shooting/marksmanship classes that used to be popular in American schools? If one of the students starts shooting people the teacher/school is to blame? Well maybe people did start blaming the schools. I guess that's why we can't have nice things any more.
minors are not legal adults, and do not share the same rights as legal adults. there is always someone responsible for a minor. if a minor commits a murder using tools that the adult willingly gave them, the adult should have some responsibility in that.
this is not to take responsibility away from the minor. At the end of the day, they are responsible for their actions as well and should be disciplined accordingly.
Better round up all the parents of kids that do skeet shooting or other gun sports right? I mean how could those irresponsible monsters do that? Take away archery too just in case and of course no more hunting
you should read the comment you're replying to in its entirety before you type.
skeet shooting and target shooting are not crimes, and neither is possession of a weapon if you meet the minimum age requirement or are under supervision of a legal adult.
murder is a crime.
the parent giving a minor a weapon means that parent trusts that minor to be responsible with that weapon. no parent should ever hand their kids a gun if the parent is not absolutely sure the kid knows the basics of shooting safety, and has the minimum level of integrity to not commit a murder with it. (unless of course the miner is receiving instruction in the responsible handling of guns)
No dumbass, but if you trust the kid with that gun and they go and commit a murder with it then now you are liable so now every parent of a kid who are in sports like this is now liable according to the ruling of this judge. I read your comment perfectly fine and I don’t think you understand what you’re talking about.
if your kid is liable to commit a murder, you've got other issues on your hands. a good parent who raised their kids right has nothing to worry about.
parents are responsible for their children. if the parent decided to let their kid be raised by an iPad instead of raising them themselves, that's their own problem. if someone dies because of their poor parenting, you can be sure as shit they share in the responsibility.
or do you think the parents of those dipshit teens pointing guns at the camera for their profile pics and dressing like gangsters are blameless?