I have nothing against electric vehicles, it's the climate cult that insist everything is cleaner because of them, when they refuse to acknowledge what goes into producing them. Also, the costs of electricity going up, and being in a small village means there's not really good means of recharging in my area. So in the end, this is neither cheaper nor cleaner. What's the fucking point?
Yes but they don't you see? They don't care about your petty concerns about how you're going to live day to day and whether or not you can even charge your vehicle where you are. You need to shut up and buy an electric vehicle to save the planet you stupid peasant /s
Whenever people argue about climate change trying to shill electric vehicles they always give off such aristocrat energy it's unbelievable. They do this with mass migration a lot as well now I think about it. Yes but don't you care about the poor refugees. If they just came out and said they didn't give a fuck about my hometown being ruined and realistically unliveable I'd at least respect the honesty.
If the right had any sense they'd start making fun of them for being out of touch nobility big time because they almost always are. I mean really call them out on it as well to their faces instead of letting them do the working man and oppression larp.
Do they though? Solar panels and ev battery break down after couple of years, you'll then have to get them replaced, wood gas engine and hydro generators are more independent
EV batteries don't necessarily break but become less efficient. Is horribly underreported how worse the ev batteries become after 5 years. But if you maintain some best practices you can reduce that. It's not optimal but technology improves so maybe we will get better ev batteries in the future.
As for solar panels, I honestly don't see a reason against them.
I know it's not cost effective, is not even green effective but it does offer a bit of independence if you have to make regular short trips. Like me taking my kids to daycare and school.
EV batteries don't necessarily break but become less efficient. Is horribly underreported how worse the ev batteries become after 5 years. But if you maintain some best practices you can reduce that.
So leave the battery 60% charged and only drive when it's 60-70 degrees outside?
It's not optimal but technology improves so maybe we will get better ev batteries in the future.
Technology improves—to a point. Solid-state batteries, the latest meme in the EV space, has its own problems, like lithium dendrites.
Technology isn't fucking magic, and the fact that people treat it as such is why we get retarded policies like ICE vehicle bans by 2030.
... the fact that people treat it as such is why we get retarded policies like ICE vehicle bans by 2030.
I blame political lobbying. Holy fuck, how does anyone think that hydrogen is clean? Tell me you are brutally, willfully ignorant without telling me you are a window-licking moron.
Is horribly underreported how worse the ev batteries become after 5 years.
That is because there is so much variability. The software of the battery power electronics is paramount to battery lifespan.
That is, how fast and deeply you discharge your battery and the way you charge your battery both dramatically effect lifespan.
It turns out that active cooling (liquid cooling systems and radiators) are vital to both fast charging and battery pack lifespan. See the early Nissan Leaf that had battery packs without active cooling systems. The battery had a truly disappointing lifespan. Now Nissan doesn't make them like that.
That said, it would be a relatively simple matter for the manufacturer to build a diesel heater into the battery cooling system. That would keep the battery warm in low temperatures. Even electric heating driven from the charging circuit (an electric blanket) that ran while the car was plugged in would be a good start.
It amuses me to think about people pouring diesel or kerosene into their electric car to keep it warm. It would solve a bunch of problems, as making heat out of electricity is really inefficient, so passenger cab heating, windscreen defrosting etc takes a huge toll on the battery and thus the range.
IMNHO, EVs are just an under-baked idea. They will get dramatically better as these problems come to light and are solved.
tl;dr: It is just about impossible to do an apples to apples comparison across EV brands or even models.
Solar panels have a effective lifespan of about 25 years. It used to be 20 years, but the newer Chinese panels last even longer.
If the frames are built well and there is quality wiring, you can just replace the panels and get another 25 years.
You may want to add more panels or replace them early, because performance degrades slowly over time. At 20 or 25 years (depending on where you draw the line) they are no longer economical.
As for Lithium Ion battery packs. That is a legitimate concern. Depending on environment, cooling, charge discharge cycles and how full you charge the battery for maximum charge ... you could get between six and ten years out of your battery pack. Less if you regularly charge them really full and discharge the battery completely; that is long distance driving. Don't do that.
Replacement costs of a battery pack for a six or ten year old tesla is more than the resale value of the car.
If you can get your fuel for free (simplest is if you charge at work) then it might still be a worthwhile trade.
I have a friend who has an EV. His wife also has an EV. Both of them charge for free at work. Both drive less than 40 km a day, on average. It works out very well for them. Free fuel, no mechanical services required. There vehicles will just cost them tires and washing until they sell them.
EVs are not for every case, but for their niche they can be outstanding.
That's a good freaking start. Something I've noticed about American tech is that they always put as much power as they can, and it takes others to slim it down.
EVs are a massive trap for self reliance. You can’t repair the things yourself, you’ll need to be closer to areas with charging stations (so closer to cities), and SOL in certain extreme environments. Not to mention some older houses do not have the wiring for a charger at home.
Which is a bummer, because they should be easier to fix than a gas car.
What's even in them? Batteries, a motor or two, regular suspension and interior, a control module, and a few plug in accessories.
No timing chain, no serpentine belt, no fuel injectors, pumps, or filters. None of the difficult repairs of a gas car.
I did a decent chunk of research on EVs back in school because I was thinking about building one; I am consistently boggled by how badly manufacturers have Black Boxed these things.
Not even GM's own engineers know how to fix their own fucking EVs—and they designed the bastards—to say nothing of their minimally trained mechanics.
Then you have Tesla, who thinks everything can be fixed with a software update and tech bro energy.
Not to mention some older houses do not have the wiring for a charger at home.
Not that you'd want to, with EVs spontaneously combusting in people's garages. It's recommended you park on the curb and get a really long extension cord to charge EVs now.
It's funny, back in Ye Olde Times, garages had to be detached or have concrete walls because cars back then were fire hazards. Maybe we'll have to do it again so new houses meet code.
If you want autonomy, an EV should be a second car to a gas car, preferably a utility-minded pickup truck. the truck will get you anywhere on land with tons of cargo. The EV will work if gas is unavailable.
keep in mind, EVs are internet connected and can be instructed to refuse a charge remotely.
I'll bet you a shiny dollar that by the time you get around to your EV + Solar Panels you will not be able to afford insurance for any vehicle with a Lithium Ion battery pack.
I don't think that the insurance industry is going to be smart enough to figure out that LiFe battery chemistry neatly solves the issues thermal runaway and fire.
Do leftists think being critical of a government push for EVs is the same as being triggered?
I'm actually considering buying one.
Truth be told, having an EV and solar panels does provide more autonomy, the least I can depend on others the better.
No
I have nothing against electric vehicles, it's the climate cult that insist everything is cleaner because of them, when they refuse to acknowledge what goes into producing them. Also, the costs of electricity going up, and being in a small village means there's not really good means of recharging in my area. So in the end, this is neither cheaper nor cleaner. What's the fucking point?
Yes but they don't you see? They don't care about your petty concerns about how you're going to live day to day and whether or not you can even charge your vehicle where you are. You need to shut up and buy an electric vehicle to save the planet you stupid peasant /s
Whenever people argue about climate change trying to shill electric vehicles they always give off such aristocrat energy it's unbelievable. They do this with mass migration a lot as well now I think about it. Yes but don't you care about the poor refugees. If they just came out and said they didn't give a fuck about my hometown being ruined and realistically unliveable I'd at least respect the honesty.
It's Feudal... I meant Futile to argue with them.
If the right had any sense they'd start making fun of them for being out of touch nobility big time because they almost always are. I mean really call them out on it as well to their faces instead of letting them do the working man and oppression larp.
Do they though? Solar panels and ev battery break down after couple of years, you'll then have to get them replaced, wood gas engine and hydro generators are more independent
EV batteries don't necessarily break but become less efficient. Is horribly underreported how worse the ev batteries become after 5 years. But if you maintain some best practices you can reduce that. It's not optimal but technology improves so maybe we will get better ev batteries in the future.
As for solar panels, I honestly don't see a reason against them.
I know it's not cost effective, is not even green effective but it does offer a bit of independence if you have to make regular short trips. Like me taking my kids to daycare and school.
So leave the battery 60% charged and only drive when it's 60-70 degrees outside?
Technology improves—to a point. Solid-state batteries, the latest meme in the EV space, has its own problems, like lithium dendrites.
Technology isn't fucking magic, and the fact that people treat it as such is why we get retarded policies like ICE vehicle bans by 2030.
I blame political lobbying. Holy fuck, how does anyone think that hydrogen is clean? Tell me you are brutally, willfully ignorant without telling me you are a window-licking moron.
That is because there is so much variability. The software of the battery power electronics is paramount to battery lifespan.
That is, how fast and deeply you discharge your battery and the way you charge your battery both dramatically effect lifespan.
It turns out that active cooling (liquid cooling systems and radiators) are vital to both fast charging and battery pack lifespan. See the early Nissan Leaf that had battery packs without active cooling systems. The battery had a truly disappointing lifespan. Now Nissan doesn't make them like that.
That said, it would be a relatively simple matter for the manufacturer to build a diesel heater into the battery cooling system. That would keep the battery warm in low temperatures. Even electric heating driven from the charging circuit (an electric blanket) that ran while the car was plugged in would be a good start.
It amuses me to think about people pouring diesel or kerosene into their electric car to keep it warm. It would solve a bunch of problems, as making heat out of electricity is really inefficient, so passenger cab heating, windscreen defrosting etc takes a huge toll on the battery and thus the range.
IMNHO, EVs are just an under-baked idea. They will get dramatically better as these problems come to light and are solved.
tl;dr: It is just about impossible to do an apples to apples comparison across EV brands or even models.
Solar panels have a effective lifespan of about 25 years. It used to be 20 years, but the newer Chinese panels last even longer.
If the frames are built well and there is quality wiring, you can just replace the panels and get another 25 years.
You may want to add more panels or replace them early, because performance degrades slowly over time. At 20 or 25 years (depending on where you draw the line) they are no longer economical.
As for Lithium Ion battery packs. That is a legitimate concern. Depending on environment, cooling, charge discharge cycles and how full you charge the battery for maximum charge ... you could get between six and ten years out of your battery pack. Less if you regularly charge them really full and discharge the battery completely; that is long distance driving. Don't do that.
Replacement costs of a battery pack for a six or ten year old tesla is more than the resale value of the car.
If you can get your fuel for free (simplest is if you charge at work) then it might still be a worthwhile trade.
I have a friend who has an EV. His wife also has an EV. Both of them charge for free at work. Both drive less than 40 km a day, on average. It works out very well for them. Free fuel, no mechanical services required. There vehicles will just cost them tires and washing until they sell them.
EVs are not for every case, but for their niche they can be outstanding.
They think everyone over-reacts and cries like a bitch exactly like they do
If we could get the energy directly from a radioactive rod, it would speed so much along. At the moment it's just a really fancy steam engine.
Do you want the exploding cars from Fallout 3? Cause that's how you get the exploding cars from Fallout 3
it would clean up the driver pool quick
Until we get the Exploding Atomic Cars of Peace.
Not sure if you saw this story. Not quite a radioactive rod but close.
https://scored.co/c/Gaming/p/17s5kLTPBx/steam-deck-2-will-literally-neve/c
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/nuclear-battery-betavolt-atomic-china-b2476979.html
That's a good freaking start. Something I've noticed about American tech is that they always put as much power as they can, and it takes others to slim it down.
Thank you.
EVs are a massive trap for self reliance. You can’t repair the things yourself, you’ll need to be closer to areas with charging stations (so closer to cities), and SOL in certain extreme environments. Not to mention some older houses do not have the wiring for a charger at home.
Which is a bummer, because they should be easier to fix than a gas car.
What's even in them? Batteries, a motor or two, regular suspension and interior, a control module, and a few plug in accessories.
No timing chain, no serpentine belt, no fuel injectors, pumps, or filters. None of the difficult repairs of a gas car.
I did a decent chunk of research on EVs back in school because I was thinking about building one; I am consistently boggled by how badly manufacturers have Black Boxed these things.
Not even GM's own engineers know how to fix their own fucking EVs—and they designed the bastards—to say nothing of their minimally trained mechanics.
Then you have Tesla, who thinks everything can be fixed with a software update and tech bro energy.
Not that you'd want to, with EVs spontaneously combusting in people's garages. It's recommended you park on the curb and get a really long extension cord to charge EVs now.
It's funny, back in Ye Olde Times, garages had to be detached or have concrete walls because cars back then were fire hazards. Maybe we'll have to do it again so new houses meet code.
They’ll just ban the home chargers and force people to charge it at designated areas, just like gas pumps.
That is one of my major problem with EVs,
If you want autonomy, an EV should be a second car to a gas car, preferably a utility-minded pickup truck. the truck will get you anywhere on land with tons of cargo. The EV will work if gas is unavailable.
keep in mind, EVs are internet connected and can be instructed to refuse a charge remotely.
That's the plan
Enjoy your fifteen minute city, goyslave.
I'll bet you a shiny dollar that by the time you get around to your EV + Solar Panels you will not be able to afford insurance for any vehicle with a Lithium Ion battery pack.
I don't think that the insurance industry is going to be smart enough to figure out that LiFe battery chemistry neatly solves the issues thermal runaway and fire.