And then make all kinds of excuses why they can't do other worthwhile pursuits that are slightly riskier with delayed gratification.
Sorry but anybody who posts that has almost certainly never done basic maths on the kind of economics young people have to contend with in the west.
Yikes. Nowhere did he say anything about economics, he's talking hobbies. There are plenty of hobbies that don't require a lot of money. There are hobbies that require less money than video games. Porn is free, but that doesn't mean it's good. This is just...I don't even know your point. But it's not good.
I grew up relatively poor, I'm doing okay but not great now. Yes, everything sucks, economically. But using that as an excuse for people wasting their lives is a really bad argument. 'Economy sucks, men should just do porn and video games,' really?
I'm somebody who's recently gotten incredibly lucky in the housing market...
I'm not in the housing market at all.
I may shit on leftists a lot, but they do have a point when it comes to living standards, they just come to all the wrong conclusions imaginable.
They do, but they also caused a lot of this shit. Again, though, this isn't a left versus right thing. What does a very sucky economic situation have to do with asking men not to spend all their time on video games and porn?
No I'm not suggesting endless video games and porn...
Suggesting, no. Never said you were. But excusing? Absolutely. Again, economy is shit. Young people have been robbed, we all got fucked. That's a reason to be angry, that's not a reason to excuse bad behavior.
however being a single guy myself I know what it's like unlike a lot of people who talk about it. Especially when it comes down to the fact that with dating especially there are an unbelievable amount of carefully designed scams out there aimed at single men it's very easy to get black pilled and completely check out of even attempting to have any kind of meaningful life. Yes, this is includes hobbies and yes it is that bad.
I know, I absolutely do. Still not an excuse. Men should strive to better themselves and be happy, not give up. That happiness can attempt to include women or not but, again, overindulgence isn't the path to anything good. Literally, just go for a run once in a while instead of video games or porn. It's free and simple. Shitty economy, civilization, and modern women are still not an excuse to do things you know aren't good for you.
With regards to video games I consider them a potential pathway for guys if we could get the concept of LAN parties etc. properly popular again among other things.
Oh, absolutely agreed. That would be, as the kids say, lit. Again, not hating on video games. Certainly not criticizing how they could be if things were different. Video games are cool, video games are fun. And they could be even more cool and fun, and more social, as you say. I hadn't thought of LAN parties in years, now I want to do that.
Again, not hating video games in any way, what I'm criticizing is the handwaving of knowingly bad behavior. I'm getting repetitive at this point, but a bad economy doesn't justify shit and, if it did, where do you stop? Men have it rough, do heroin? Men have it rough, just kill yourself? To be clear, not saying you said that or believe that, but I think it's worth bringing up. If we're excusing some bad defeatist behavior, where does it end?
But it seems you are excusing it, since you object to people calling it out. You seem to view "don't do porn" as an extremist message, despite being pretty much unequivocally a positive and correct bit of advice.
Back in the day for example I had no idea why people would do shit like drugs or alcohol badly and harm themselves in such a way. Now after being around a bit I completely get it. I feel like if more people got it they would maybe look for real solutions.
Agreed, but I don't think that real solution is just handwaving and blaming the definitely shitty economy and society. Why they're doing it doesn't change that they shouldn't be doing it.
With regards to gaming as well, it didn't used to be like this though I'm sure people will know. Something I am angry about and can do something about as an individual is fight back against this actual psyop against the male population that the games industry has turned into.
Yup. And I like your idea of returning LAN parties. Let's get 'er done. Reject modernity, embrace tradition.
Yikes. Nowhere did he say anything about economics, he's talking hobbies. There are plenty of hobbies that don't require a lot of money. There are hobbies that require less money than video games. Porn is free, but that doesn't mean it's good. This is just...I don't even know your point. But it's not good.
I grew up relatively poor, I'm doing okay but not great now. Yes, everything sucks, economically. But using that as an excuse for people wasting their lives is a really bad argument. 'Economy sucks, men should just do porn and video games,' really?
I'm not in the housing market at all.
They do, but they also caused a lot of this shit. Again, though, this isn't a left versus right thing. What does a very sucky economic situation have to do with asking men not to spend all their time on video games and porn?
Suggesting, no. Never said you were. But excusing? Absolutely. Again, economy is shit. Young people have been robbed, we all got fucked. That's a reason to be angry, that's not a reason to excuse bad behavior.
I know, I absolutely do. Still not an excuse. Men should strive to better themselves and be happy, not give up. That happiness can attempt to include women or not but, again, overindulgence isn't the path to anything good. Literally, just go for a run once in a while instead of video games or porn. It's free and simple. Shitty economy, civilization, and modern women are still not an excuse to do things you know aren't good for you.
Oh, absolutely agreed. That would be, as the kids say, lit. Again, not hating on video games. Certainly not criticizing how they could be if things were different. Video games are cool, video games are fun. And they could be even more cool and fun, and more social, as you say. I hadn't thought of LAN parties in years, now I want to do that.
Again, not hating video games in any way, what I'm criticizing is the handwaving of knowingly bad behavior. I'm getting repetitive at this point, but a bad economy doesn't justify shit and, if it did, where do you stop? Men have it rough, do heroin? Men have it rough, just kill yourself? To be clear, not saying you said that or believe that, but I think it's worth bringing up. If we're excusing some bad defeatist behavior, where does it end?
But it seems you are excusing it, since you object to people calling it out. You seem to view "don't do porn" as an extremist message, despite being pretty much unequivocally a positive and correct bit of advice.
Agreed, but I don't think that real solution is just handwaving and blaming the definitely shitty economy and society. Why they're doing it doesn't change that they shouldn't be doing it.
Yup. And I like your idea of returning LAN parties. Let's get 'er done. Reject modernity, embrace tradition.