No I'm not suggesting endless video games and porn...
Suggesting, no. Never said you were. But excusing? Absolutely. Again, economy is shit. Young people have been robbed, we all got fucked. That's a reason to be angry, that's not a reason to excuse bad behavior.
however being a single guy myself I know what it's like unlike a lot of people who talk about it. Especially when it comes down to the fact that with dating especially there are an unbelievable amount of carefully designed scams out there aimed at single men it's very easy to get black pilled and completely check out of even attempting to have any kind of meaningful life. Yes, this is includes hobbies and yes it is that bad.
I know, I absolutely do. Still not an excuse. Men should strive to better themselves and be happy, not give up. That happiness can attempt to include women or not but, again, overindulgence isn't the path to anything good. Literally, just go for a run once in a while instead of video games or porn. It's free and simple. Shitty economy, civilization, and modern women are still not an excuse to do things you know aren't good for you.
With regards to video games I consider them a potential pathway for guys if we could get the concept of LAN parties etc. properly popular again among other things.
Oh, absolutely agreed. That would be, as the kids say, lit. Again, not hating on video games. Certainly not criticizing how they could be if things were different. Video games are cool, video games are fun. And they could be even more cool and fun, and more social, as you say. I hadn't thought of LAN parties in years, now I want to do that.
Again, not hating video games in any way, what I'm criticizing is the handwaving of knowingly bad behavior. I'm getting repetitive at this point, but a bad economy doesn't justify shit and, if it did, where do you stop? Men have it rough, do heroin? Men have it rough, just kill yourself? To be clear, not saying you said that or believe that, but I think it's worth bringing up. If we're excusing some bad defeatist behavior, where does it end?
But it seems you are excusing it, since you object to people calling it out. You seem to view "don't do porn" as an extremist message, despite being pretty much unequivocally a positive and correct bit of advice.
Back in the day for example I had no idea why people would do shit like drugs or alcohol badly and harm themselves in such a way. Now after being around a bit I completely get it. I feel like if more people got it they would maybe look for real solutions.
Agreed, but I don't think that real solution is just handwaving and blaming the definitely shitty economy and society. Why they're doing it doesn't change that they shouldn't be doing it.
With regards to gaming as well, it didn't used to be like this though I'm sure people will know. Something I am angry about and can do something about as an individual is fight back against this actual psyop against the male population that the games industry has turned into.
Yup. And I like your idea of returning LAN parties. Let's get 'er done. Reject modernity, embrace tradition.
Maybe you haven't seen my posts, but I'd say I'm one of the most principled defenders of porn here actually, despite also stating its harms and encouraging people not to do it.
Porn is speech, don't ban porn. But it's still bad.
...if you don't 'defend' porn then it's going to cause a cascade effect of oh let's just censor any other 'degenerate filth' that we don't like.
Totally agreed, and I've said the same multiple times, often somewhat unpopularly. There's a difference between defending porn existing and defending or justifying overuse of porn though.
The government shouldn't ban porn. Men shouldn't watch porn, or should at the very least severely limit consumption. Both can be true.
By all means, preach against it, but it's the same reason I'll defend some of the most vile opinions on the internet, free expression and free speech.
Honestly, I'm enjoying this, first time I ever got lumped into the "anti-porn" side, I'm usually the "pro-porn degenerate." Fun change of pace.
Again, for the record, no hate toward you. But if you look back you'll see I never argued against the existence of porn, I argued against handwaving away people using porn to excess.
I'm talking personal responsibility, not censorship or government intervention. Fuck the government, they can pry my choice to watch porn from my cold dead hands. Because you're right, it is an important argument, and a massive canary in the coalmine.
I've been very outspoken against "ID laws" too, as they're completely retarded levels of government overreach. I've argued extensively (and fruitlessly) against the anti-porn side on that, actually. They don't want to get that it's not about keeping kids from porn, and that ID laws affect everyone, not just kids. You're an unknown until you provide said ID, so it affects everyone. ID laws are insidious, and will be the death of the internet if allowed to get a foot in the door. Government doesn't get to say what information I access, and if they get more power to monitor and control even one aspect of the internet, they get it all.
This is the kind of moral panic that was around in the 90's, leftist hate speech is just a different left wing iteration of it.
Again, I've literally never argued for the banning of porn, as that would be extremely dangerous and goes against my principles too. But it's also not just a moral panic; porn is bad.
But, yeah, not taking shots at you, this is just honest amusement, but I like how you seem to have assumed I hold beliefs I am in fact strictly opposed to.
Suggesting, no. Never said you were. But excusing? Absolutely. Again, economy is shit. Young people have been robbed, we all got fucked. That's a reason to be angry, that's not a reason to excuse bad behavior.
I know, I absolutely do. Still not an excuse. Men should strive to better themselves and be happy, not give up. That happiness can attempt to include women or not but, again, overindulgence isn't the path to anything good. Literally, just go for a run once in a while instead of video games or porn. It's free and simple. Shitty economy, civilization, and modern women are still not an excuse to do things you know aren't good for you.
Oh, absolutely agreed. That would be, as the kids say, lit. Again, not hating on video games. Certainly not criticizing how they could be if things were different. Video games are cool, video games are fun. And they could be even more cool and fun, and more social, as you say. I hadn't thought of LAN parties in years, now I want to do that.
Again, not hating video games in any way, what I'm criticizing is the handwaving of knowingly bad behavior. I'm getting repetitive at this point, but a bad economy doesn't justify shit and, if it did, where do you stop? Men have it rough, do heroin? Men have it rough, just kill yourself? To be clear, not saying you said that or believe that, but I think it's worth bringing up. If we're excusing some bad defeatist behavior, where does it end?
But it seems you are excusing it, since you object to people calling it out. You seem to view "don't do porn" as an extremist message, despite being pretty much unequivocally a positive and correct bit of advice.
Agreed, but I don't think that real solution is just handwaving and blaming the definitely shitty economy and society. Why they're doing it doesn't change that they shouldn't be doing it.
Yup. And I like your idea of returning LAN parties. Let's get 'er done. Reject modernity, embrace tradition.
Maybe you haven't seen my posts, but I'd say I'm one of the most principled defenders of porn here actually, despite also stating its harms and encouraging people not to do it.
Porn is speech, don't ban porn. But it's still bad.
Totally agreed, and I've said the same multiple times, often somewhat unpopularly. There's a difference between defending porn existing and defending or justifying overuse of porn though.
The government shouldn't ban porn. Men shouldn't watch porn, or should at the very least severely limit consumption. Both can be true.
Honestly, I'm enjoying this, first time I ever got lumped into the "anti-porn" side, I'm usually the "pro-porn degenerate." Fun change of pace.
Again, for the record, no hate toward you. But if you look back you'll see I never argued against the existence of porn, I argued against handwaving away people using porn to excess.
I'm talking personal responsibility, not censorship or government intervention. Fuck the government, they can pry my choice to watch porn from my cold dead hands. Because you're right, it is an important argument, and a massive canary in the coalmine.
I've been very outspoken against "ID laws" too, as they're completely retarded levels of government overreach. I've argued extensively (and fruitlessly) against the anti-porn side on that, actually. They don't want to get that it's not about keeping kids from porn, and that ID laws affect everyone, not just kids. You're an unknown until you provide said ID, so it affects everyone. ID laws are insidious, and will be the death of the internet if allowed to get a foot in the door. Government doesn't get to say what information I access, and if they get more power to monitor and control even one aspect of the internet, they get it all.
Again, I've literally never argued for the banning of porn, as that would be extremely dangerous and goes against my principles too. But it's also not just a moral panic; porn is bad.
But, yeah, not taking shots at you, this is just honest amusement, but I like how you seem to have assumed I hold beliefs I am in fact strictly opposed to.