I do not believe abortion is a federal right, nor do I think the federal government or SCOTUS should magic up a right to abortion. I am thrilled about Dobbs.
I am in favor of states determining abortion rules.
I am in favor of limits, but not bans, on abortion.
I both support Dobbs and would vote against an abortion ban.
I don't think my viewpoint is uncommon, and that seems supported by what's happened across the country.
tl;dr, get the federal government out of abortion, limits not bans.
Many Americans don't know how unusual it is for courts to make laws on abortion. Dobbs just changes American constitutional law to be the same as it is elsewhere in the world. Just like voter ID is the norm basically everywhere. The CNN drones live in their own universe.
And I fully agree with you on the substance of abortion. You're not expressing a view on this ballot measure, but I think this is wrong - because it will result in judges deciding matters of abortion, and that will lead to sweeping as opposed to finely tuned law.
Many Americans don't know how unusual it is for courts to make laws on abortion. Dobbs just changes American constitutional law to be the same as it is elsewhere in the world. Just like voter ID is the norm basically everywhere. The CNN drones live in their own universe.
Most Americans are very insular in regards to politics (and rationally so). My best debating tactic when it comes to Voter ID (and a surprising number of other issues) is to yack about how much more fair and just European laws are, get agreement, talk about how we should aim to emulate the French, the Dutch, etc., get agreement, and then break out voter ID issue.
And I fully agree with you on the substance of abortion. You're not expressing a view on this ballot measure, but I think this is wrong - because it will result in judges deciding matters of abortion, and that will lead to sweeping as opposed to finely tuned law.
Yeah, I didn't comment on the ballot measure, but I would vote against the measure. I very much believe in the constitution as the Founders saw it -- minimalist.
It amuses me to no end when, mostly Democrats, think it's some huge "gotcha" that states are now deciding, one-by-one, what abortion rules look like. Or how Democrats made such a big deal over multiple rounds of voting for a Speaker of the House.
Guess what--this is EXACTLY what the democratic process should look like. Discussion, debate, voting, and eventual agreement.
Legislating from the bench is one of the greatest evils in America, and I say that whether or not my side or the other side benefits. Laws should be not be made by the courts.
Most Americans are very insular in regards to politics (and rationally so).
Insofar as ordinary people have no influence, yes. But he who knows one country knows no countries.
My best debating tactic when it comes to Voter ID (and a surprising number of other issues) is to yack about how much more fair and just European laws are, get agreement, talk about how we should aim to emulate the French, the Dutch, etc., get agreement, and then break out voter ID issue.
Nice trick. I've asked many Americans why voter ID is so racist, and why it's not racist in Europe. Usual response is Republicans bad and that the 'intent' of the law is so blacks can't vote.
I've heard that at least some US states give ID free of charge. Did you know we have to pay for it? They have no mercy for people who don't have the money. So the "far-right" Republicans are actually nicer to the poor and to blacks who is the exact same as 'the poor'.
It amuses me to no end when, mostly Democrats, think it's some huge "gotcha" that states are now deciding, one-by-one, what abortion rules look like.
This idea that Donald Trump doesn't know what he's doing, he knows exactly what he's doing. He wants to make America more like the rest of the world. We don't want to be like the rest of the world!
Or how Democrats made such a big deal over multiple rounds of voting for a Speaker of the House.
Kevin McCarthy is a fascist MAGAt and it's a tragedy that fascist MAGAt was removed by even more fascist Nazis.
Legislating from the bench is one of the greatest evils in America, and I say that whether or not my side or the other side benefits. Laws should be not be made by the courts.
Agreed, and very consistent. The rule of law is more important than any political position, though I think it's already lost.
I am in favor of limits, but not bans, on abortion.
You're not expressing a view on this ballot measure
In a roundabout way they are though. This measure gives effectively a blank check so long as you can find a doctor to sign off on it. And trust me there will be plenty abortion activist doctors lining up to do so.
I think you're right, but I can easily see someone who says "abortion is ok but with restrictions" going either way on this. That's why these ballot measures have been going badly even in very red states. If abortion being legal is more important to you than the restrictions, you might go a yes on them.
I believe abortion is a moral wrong.
I believe abortion is pragmatically a net good.
I do not believe abortion is a federal right, nor do I think the federal government or SCOTUS should magic up a right to abortion. I am thrilled about Dobbs.
I am in favor of states determining abortion rules.
I am in favor of limits, but not bans, on abortion.
I both support Dobbs and would vote against an abortion ban.
I don't think my viewpoint is uncommon, and that seems supported by what's happened across the country.
tl;dr, get the federal government out of abortion, limits not bans.
Many Americans don't know how unusual it is for courts to make laws on abortion. Dobbs just changes American constitutional law to be the same as it is elsewhere in the world. Just like voter ID is the norm basically everywhere. The CNN drones live in their own universe.
And I fully agree with you on the substance of abortion. You're not expressing a view on this ballot measure, but I think this is wrong - because it will result in judges deciding matters of abortion, and that will lead to sweeping as opposed to finely tuned law.
Most Americans are very insular in regards to politics (and rationally so). My best debating tactic when it comes to Voter ID (and a surprising number of other issues) is to yack about how much more fair and just European laws are, get agreement, talk about how we should aim to emulate the French, the Dutch, etc., get agreement, and then break out voter ID issue.
Yeah, I didn't comment on the ballot measure, but I would vote against the measure. I very much believe in the constitution as the Founders saw it -- minimalist.
It amuses me to no end when, mostly Democrats, think it's some huge "gotcha" that states are now deciding, one-by-one, what abortion rules look like. Or how Democrats made such a big deal over multiple rounds of voting for a Speaker of the House.
Guess what--this is EXACTLY what the democratic process should look like. Discussion, debate, voting, and eventual agreement.
Legislating from the bench is one of the greatest evils in America, and I say that whether or not my side or the other side benefits. Laws should be not be made by the courts.
Insofar as ordinary people have no influence, yes. But he who knows one country knows no countries.
Nice trick. I've asked many Americans why voter ID is so racist, and why it's not racist in Europe. Usual response is Republicans bad and that the 'intent' of the law is so blacks can't vote.
I've heard that at least some US states give ID free of charge. Did you know we have to pay for it? They have no mercy for people who don't have the money. So the "far-right" Republicans are actually nicer to the poor and to blacks who is the exact same as 'the poor'.
This idea that Donald Trump doesn't know what he's doing, he knows exactly what he's doing. He wants to make America more like the rest of the world. We don't want to be like the rest of the world!
Kevin McCarthy is a fascist MAGAt and it's a tragedy that fascist MAGAt was removed by even more fascist Nazis.
Agreed, and very consistent. The rule of law is more important than any political position, though I think it's already lost.
In a roundabout way they are though. This measure gives effectively a blank check so long as you can find a doctor to sign off on it. And trust me there will be plenty abortion activist doctors lining up to do so.
I think you're right, but I can easily see someone who says "abortion is ok but with restrictions" going either way on this. That's why these ballot measures have been going badly even in very red states. If abortion being legal is more important to you than the restrictions, you might go a yes on them.