Watched a non-judgmental interview with a flat-Earther and what was really interesting is that all his evidence in favor of flat Earth was true!
From Earth you can't see the curvature with your eye, but he thought that meant flat instead of huge. Parking your car under a tree overnight does keep it warmer, but he thought that meant the moon light was 'cold' so wasn't from the sun rather than your car radiating heat to space. And so on.
Point is it's not enough to be open-minded. You also need to be sensible and have depth of knowledge. And from that larger view this alien is as believable as flat Earth.
The earliest fossils we have of primordial life forms on Earth date back nearly 4.3 billion years, almost immediately after the Earth formed. As far as the chances go of finding life on other planets, that's pretty encouraging. It may even have happened more than once in our solar system.
But we're not just looking for life. We're looking for civilizations, and here's the flip-side: If there was ever life on Mars or Venus, it's not there now.
We live on a perfect planet in a perfect orbit around a perfect sun. If we were slightly closer to the sun than we are, we probably wouldn't be here. If we were any further away than we are, we probably wouldn't be here. If we didn't have plate tectonics, there would be no water cycle and we would have a runaway greenhouse effect that would have long since turned the Earth into Venus. If the Earth was much smaller than it is, then our mantle would be thinner and would already have cooled and solidified, which would mean no magnetic field and solar radiation would have blasted away most of the atmosphere and turned the Earth into a frozen desert, like Mars.
If our sun were a red dwarf, like 80-85% of the stars that exist, then it would be so much smaller that we and every other planet in orbit would be tidally locked, meaning one hemisphere would always be facing the sun, being perpetually baked and fried, and the other hemisphere would be a permanent night side, eternally dark and frozen. Most red dwarves are also flare stars, prone to wild and unpredictable variations in light and heat output. If our sun suddenly got twice as bright and twice as hot and stayed that way for several hours, we'd be fucked. If it did that every few days or weeks at random and unpredictable intervals, there would be no stable climate on any planet in the solar system. Almost no red dwarf produces enough consistent UV radiation to kick start organic chemistry at all, and these are the vast majority of stars that exist. If we were around a much brighter and more massive star than our sun, then it would have burned through all of its hydrogen and gone nova eons ago, and taken us out with it.
If we were in a binary or a trinary star system, like most star systems are, then the orbits of all of the planets would be erratic and wobbly, also creating hugely unstable climates, likely incapable of sustaining liquid water on the surface. We also live in a relative void in the interstellar medium. It's extremely rare to have a star whose nearest stellar neighbour is more than four light years away. It we were in a denser stellar neightborhood, closer to the center of the galaxy than we are, we probably wouldn't be here. If we were further out than we are, then there's another whole set of factors counting against us and we probably wouldn't be here. If we were too close to a black hole, or a neutron star or a starbirth region with supergiants going nova every couple million years, or a gamma ray buster, then we wouldn't be here.
If we didn't have Jupiter in the outer solar system, with its huge gravity eating up all the rocks careening around all over the place that want to come crashing into us, then we wouldn't be here. Even as it is, one of them occasionally gets through. The likelihood of a planet the size of Jupiter forming around a star the size of our sun is actually quite low.
We have all of these factors working in our favour, and yet even here, on this perfect planet in its perfect orbit around a perfect star, in a relatively quiet corner of a relatively stable galaxy; even here, it has taken 4.3 billion years, a third of the age of the universe, for those first organisms to reach stage that we're at now, and no evidence exists that it happened earlier.
Of course it's possible for it to have happened somewhere else, but if it has then it's almost certainly so rare and so distant that we will never meet them. For all practical purposes of the word, we are alone, and we almost certainly always will be.
You’re exactly right. The book Rare Earth covers a lot of what you said. Also, if the earth was a little bigger, the gravity would be too high for us to reach orbit with any practical rocket. There could be intelligent life on super-earths without the means of reaching space.
Also, you alluded to this but it bears repeating. We have yet to find another star system that’s similar to our own in terms of having a similar star, a planet of similar size in the habitable zone and gas giants in the outer solar system. It’s quite probable that all of these things are necessary for complex life. Sometimes we’ll find star systems with one or two of these factors, but not all three.
The thing that makes life life is organic chemistry, which requires liquid on or under the surface at cool enough temperatures for molecular bonds to form, and a stable environment over a long period of time. All of our observations so far have told us that that set of circumstances is extremely rare.
The galaxy might be full of alien life. Heck, our solar system might be teeming with life on the icy moons or in Mars’s soil or in the clouds of Venus. But they are almost certainly single celled organisms like bacteria or archaea. Multicellular life might be another “great filter” that partially explains the Fermi paradox.
No, nothing wrong with being interested and researching it further. I only figured it was fake because Jaime Maussan has been doing this bit for years and it looks just like one of those sideshow attractions. Then when you look at the details it doesn't add up. Add to that the fundamental physical constraints of life and the universe that make it unlikely, and you need a lot of compelling evidence to pass that hurdle.
Let's be honest here people, if Aliens did visit this planet, they'd have already independence day'd our ass long ago or put in that doomsday moon from gurren lagann to stop us spreading too much.
The fact California exists says our species needs to be quarantined to stop what ever caused that from infecting them.
Even if those things are real mummies of actually once-living things, there's nothing really connecting them with flying objects/USOs/UAP of any kind. They're just bodies from a mine.
They could represent creatures from an unknown subterrestrial ecosystem. Not exactly Hollow Earth, just deep-cave creatures that occasionally come up that split off hundreds of millions of years ago. They don't even have to be technological at all.
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Watched a non-judgmental interview with a flat-Earther and what was really interesting is that all his evidence in favor of flat Earth was true!
From Earth you can't see the curvature with your eye, but he thought that meant flat instead of huge. Parking your car under a tree overnight does keep it warmer, but he thought that meant the moon light was 'cold' so wasn't from the sun rather than your car radiating heat to space. And so on.
Point is it's not enough to be open-minded. You also need to be sensible and have depth of knowledge. And from that larger view this alien is as believable as flat Earth.
The earliest fossils we have of primordial life forms on Earth date back nearly 4.3 billion years, almost immediately after the Earth formed. As far as the chances go of finding life on other planets, that's pretty encouraging. It may even have happened more than once in our solar system.
But we're not just looking for life. We're looking for civilizations, and here's the flip-side: If there was ever life on Mars or Venus, it's not there now.
We live on a perfect planet in a perfect orbit around a perfect sun. If we were slightly closer to the sun than we are, we probably wouldn't be here. If we were any further away than we are, we probably wouldn't be here. If we didn't have plate tectonics, there would be no water cycle and we would have a runaway greenhouse effect that would have long since turned the Earth into Venus. If the Earth was much smaller than it is, then our mantle would be thinner and would already have cooled and solidified, which would mean no magnetic field and solar radiation would have blasted away most of the atmosphere and turned the Earth into a frozen desert, like Mars.
If our sun were a red dwarf, like 80-85% of the stars that exist, then it would be so much smaller that we and every other planet in orbit would be tidally locked, meaning one hemisphere would always be facing the sun, being perpetually baked and fried, and the other hemisphere would be a permanent night side, eternally dark and frozen. Most red dwarves are also flare stars, prone to wild and unpredictable variations in light and heat output. If our sun suddenly got twice as bright and twice as hot and stayed that way for several hours, we'd be fucked. If it did that every few days or weeks at random and unpredictable intervals, there would be no stable climate on any planet in the solar system. Almost no red dwarf produces enough consistent UV radiation to kick start organic chemistry at all, and these are the vast majority of stars that exist. If we were around a much brighter and more massive star than our sun, then it would have burned through all of its hydrogen and gone nova eons ago, and taken us out with it.
If we were in a binary or a trinary star system, like most star systems are, then the orbits of all of the planets would be erratic and wobbly, also creating hugely unstable climates, likely incapable of sustaining liquid water on the surface. We also live in a relative void in the interstellar medium. It's extremely rare to have a star whose nearest stellar neighbour is more than four light years away. It we were in a denser stellar neightborhood, closer to the center of the galaxy than we are, we probably wouldn't be here. If we were further out than we are, then there's another whole set of factors counting against us and we probably wouldn't be here. If we were too close to a black hole, or a neutron star or a starbirth region with supergiants going nova every couple million years, or a gamma ray buster, then we wouldn't be here.
If we didn't have Jupiter in the outer solar system, with its huge gravity eating up all the rocks careening around all over the place that want to come crashing into us, then we wouldn't be here. Even as it is, one of them occasionally gets through. The likelihood of a planet the size of Jupiter forming around a star the size of our sun is actually quite low.
We have all of these factors working in our favour, and yet even here, on this perfect planet in its perfect orbit around a perfect star, in a relatively quiet corner of a relatively stable galaxy; even here, it has taken 4.3 billion years, a third of the age of the universe, for those first organisms to reach stage that we're at now, and no evidence exists that it happened earlier.
Of course it's possible for it to have happened somewhere else, but if it has then it's almost certainly so rare and so distant that we will never meet them. For all practical purposes of the word, we are alone, and we almost certainly always will be.
You’re exactly right. The book Rare Earth covers a lot of what you said. Also, if the earth was a little bigger, the gravity would be too high for us to reach orbit with any practical rocket. There could be intelligent life on super-earths without the means of reaching space.
Also, you alluded to this but it bears repeating. We have yet to find another star system that’s similar to our own in terms of having a similar star, a planet of similar size in the habitable zone and gas giants in the outer solar system. It’s quite probable that all of these things are necessary for complex life. Sometimes we’ll find star systems with one or two of these factors, but not all three.
The thing that makes life life is organic chemistry, which requires liquid on or under the surface at cool enough temperatures for molecular bonds to form, and a stable environment over a long period of time. All of our observations so far have told us that that set of circumstances is extremely rare.
The galaxy might be full of alien life. Heck, our solar system might be teeming with life on the icy moons or in Mars’s soil or in the clouds of Venus. But they are almost certainly single celled organisms like bacteria or archaea. Multicellular life might be another “great filter” that partially explains the Fermi paradox.
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No, nothing wrong with being interested and researching it further. I only figured it was fake because Jaime Maussan has been doing this bit for years and it looks just like one of those sideshow attractions. Then when you look at the details it doesn't add up. Add to that the fundamental physical constraints of life and the universe that make it unlikely, and you need a lot of compelling evidence to pass that hurdle.
Double negative? Retard
Let's be honest here people, if Aliens did visit this planet, they'd have already independence day'd our ass long ago or put in that doomsday moon from gurren lagann to stop us spreading too much.
The fact California exists says our species needs to be quarantined to stop what ever caused that from infecting them.
I'd like to know how Mexico got hold of the beings that pilot the Biden skin suit, like that scene in the original Men in Black.
Even if those things are real mummies of actually once-living things, there's nothing really connecting them with flying objects/USOs/UAP of any kind. They're just bodies from a mine.
They could represent creatures from an unknown subterrestrial ecosystem. Not exactly Hollow Earth, just deep-cave creatures that occasionally come up that split off hundreds of millions of years ago. They don't even have to be technological at all.
Hell, they look/sound like shell-less turtles.