The whole Muslim V Progressivism is silly because you have one one side a movement that is a established structure versus a movement that erodes and subverts structures.
It's like saying a Rock will stand up to the tides better then a sand castle. The outcome is the same, the difference is just the time it takes.
What you'll find is that "western muslims" will no longer be considered muslims by everyone else. I seriously expect an Islamic breakoff towards a "tolerant and progressive" version of Islam based in the west. The ultimate subversion, just like the uniting church subverts the Catholic Church.
Look at churches.. up until a few decades ago it was well understood where the Bible stood on homosexuality. Even atheists would say that. Then all of a sudden you get the “well we are interpreting it wrong” people and now so many churches have bent the knee and a large number of young people go along with that nonsense
Perhaps, but also, you have one said that does nothing but play the crybully victim, and another side whose ideology allows for violence against the heretics. In that respect, Muslims have a leg up on some of the other people the subversives have come for in the past.
That said, I do agree that subversion is an incredibly strong force, even against those that should seemingly be able to resist it.
Given most of these people are immigrants from desert nations that due to environment and 'cultural differences' are used to hardship, cutting off welfare in the hopes they'll turn against their beliefs is probably a REALLY dumb plan.
It's more like giving a predator your lunch so it won't eat you, if you stop feeding it, you're It's lunch..
Honest to God: my money is on the Leftists being able to subvert Islam.
There's also rampant homosexuality, pedophillia, incest, and authoritarianism in muslim countries and populations already. Those are easy avenues of attack for Queer Revolutionaries. Islam is not good at resisting subversion. It's used to attacking potential enemies with unlimited violence at all times, but the Left are always prepared to exploit that.
honestly, the second option is just a win-win. the kids getting much better education, and the parents protect the kids from propaganda indoctrination. if you have the time, there's no reason not to homeschool your kids nowadays.
So 'Allah akbar' time or they just going to pull their kids out and community school them effectively creating a Muslim enclave?
The whole Muslim V Progressivism is silly because you have one one side a movement that is a established structure versus a movement that erodes and subverts structures.
It's like saying a Rock will stand up to the tides better then a sand castle. The outcome is the same, the difference is just the time it takes.
What you'll find is that "western muslims" will no longer be considered muslims by everyone else. I seriously expect an Islamic breakoff towards a "tolerant and progressive" version of Islam based in the west. The ultimate subversion, just like the uniting church subverts the Catholic Church.
Look at churches.. up until a few decades ago it was well understood where the Bible stood on homosexuality. Even atheists would say that. Then all of a sudden you get the “well we are interpreting it wrong” people and now so many churches have bent the knee and a large number of young people go along with that nonsense
Perhaps, but also, you have one said that does nothing but play the crybully victim, and another side whose ideology allows for violence against the heretics. In that respect, Muslims have a leg up on some of the other people the subversives have come for in the past.
That said, I do agree that subversion is an incredibly strong force, even against those that should seemingly be able to resist it.
Given most of these people are immigrants from desert nations that due to environment and 'cultural differences' are used to hardship, cutting off welfare in the hopes they'll turn against their beliefs is probably a REALLY dumb plan.
It's more like giving a predator your lunch so it won't eat you, if you stop feeding it, you're It's lunch..
Honest to God: my money is on the Leftists being able to subvert Islam.
There's also rampant homosexuality, pedophillia, incest, and authoritarianism in muslim countries and populations already. Those are easy avenues of attack for Queer Revolutionaries. Islam is not good at resisting subversion. It's used to attacking potential enemies with unlimited violence at all times, but the Left are always prepared to exploit that.
They want the enclave either way.
honestly, the second option is just a win-win. the kids getting much better education, and the parents protect the kids from propaganda indoctrination. if you have the time, there's no reason not to homeschool your kids nowadays.
A lot of the Muslims in the US self-selected to be less conservative and radical than the Islamists.
There will be a few terror attacks, but not many substantial ones.
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Well, substantial for Islam.