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posted 1 year ago by m0r1arty 1 year ago by m0r1arty +79 / -0
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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 6 points 1 year ago +7 / -1

I personally believe that pretty much any of the other Republican candidates would have a better shot against Biden in the general than Trump. I know that opinion is going to be unpopular here, but I just can't see how it's not the truth.

I would love to know the thinking behind this. Do you think a candidate with a pulse would automatically have the edge over Biden? That flies in the face of basically every lesson we've learned since Bush. If the base ain't motivated, you're going to lose. There are a lot more voters in the base than there are independents.

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– SmallTimeTrader 0 points 1 year ago +1 / -1

I would love to know the thinking behind this. Do you think a candidate with a pulse would automatically have the edge over Biden?

Absolutely. Joe Biden's president has been a train wreck; it's been so bad that even the NPCs have noticed. His approval ratings are terrible, and that's very unusual for a Dem candidate since the press do such a fine job running cover for them.

When you're running against a guy like that all you have to do to win is to make the election about THEM. About THEIR record. In the general we want the R candidate to be talking about nothing but Joe Biden in every interview, every debate, every town hall. If that happens we will win. It's that simple.

If Trump is the candidate the election will be all about Donald Trump and not at all about Joe Biden. It will be about January 6th. It will be about the court cases. It will be about whatever flamboyant thing Trump is saying at the moment. And that is EXACTLY what the left want because they know that if the election is about Joe Biden they will lose.

There are a lot more voters in the base than there are independents.

That's true. And Trump does have an incredible talent for getting out the Republican base; on that front he's the best candidate since Reagan. It's his greatest strength.

If the base ain't motivated, you're going to lose.

Whether this is true or not depends on the other side of the coin: the democratic base. It's at least as large as the Republican base and unfortunately Trump's special gift for bringing people to the polls applies to dems as well. He's so polarizing that dems are as motivated to vote against him as reps are to vote for him. That's why the turnout in 2020 was so high (well that and all the bullshit rules changes around covid).

So I think the whole 'energizes the base' argument is kind of a wash. Even though independents aren't a large group the election is (once again) going to turn on them. Trump lost the group in 2020 and I believe he's polling worse among them right now than he was at the time.

But look, this whole base argument is secondary to who the election is ABOUT. If it's about Joe Biden it should be an easy win for reps regardless of the candidate. Trump is the only rep candidate that will allow the left to keep this election from being a referendum on Joe Biden, and that's why they're using these indictments to try and make him the nominee.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

When you're running against a guy like that all you have to do to win is to make the election about THEM. About THEIR record. In the general we want the R candidate to be talking about nothing but Joe Biden in every interview, every debate, every town hall. If that happens we will win. It's that simple.

We tried that theory with Obama in 2012. It didn't work, and the Dems didn't even need to fraud that hard.

Obama, meanwhile, tried the "turn out the base" theory. In fact he tried so hard that he didn't even make a play for the independents. And that worked.

Want Republicans to vote? Don't nominate a limp dick candidate. I promise you, they will not vote.

Whether this is true or not depends on the other side of the coin: the democratic base. It's at least as large as the Republican base and unfortunately Trump's special gift for bringing people to the polls applies to dems as well. He's so polarizing that dems are as motivated to vote against him as reps are to vote for him. That's why the turnout in 2020 was so high (well that and all the bullshit rules changes around covid).

The idea that the Dem base beat the R base in 2020 is premised on the legitimacy of the election. What more can I say? There is no situation in which more voters will turn out with Joe Biden on the ticket instead of Obama.

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– SR388-SAX 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Whether this is true or not depends on the other side of the coin: the democratic base.

No, the other side of the coin at this point is the ballot printing machines.

If Trump isn't running, that just means that the Democrats will have to cheat slightly less.

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