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From a lefty I know..."Yeah, it's murder, but that's okay as long as I view the victim as an inconvenience." (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 2 years ago by BrainJuice 2 years ago by BrainJuice +69 / -0
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– GamingTheSystem-01 13 points 2 years ago +13 / -0

This is a mangled telephone version of the violinist argument famously presented in Judith Jarvis Thomson's "A Defense of Abortion". It is a bogus argument because the premise assumes the conclusion. Your baby is not a stranger. Your baby is not a parasite. Crafting elaborate analogies about strangers harvesting your organs or surgically being attached to your body is just trying to use disgust as a wedge to slide in a flawed axiom.

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– bartbertbirtbortburt 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

Thompson is wrong because she ignores the existence of positive moral obligations. She concedes personhood to the unborn because she has to for the rest of her argument to make sense, but then sets up a system where you could argue that parents have NO obligation to their children whatsoever.

We are used to discussing moral obligations in the negative, ie I am obligated NOT to bash your brains in. Positive moral obligations also exist. In fact, agreement is pretty universal in regard to a parent's positive obligation to care for their offspring. If you leave your child to die from exposure, the State will punish you. Given that Hamiliton has already conceded "fetal personhood" and that a fetus is located in its natural environment, it is reasonable to argue that the mother has a positive moral obligation to provide support. Consent, autonomy, and the rest of such dreck are dishonest distractions.

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– WeedleTLiar 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Good point: by OPs argument, since they removed the alive/not alive argument, I should be able to abandon my children for literally any reason.

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– bartbertbirtbortburt 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Amusingly Peter Singer (who should be feed into a woodchipper) argues in favor of legal infanticide while also disagreeing with Hamilton because certain "utilitarian calculus" indicates if you're just some shlep with nothing better to do, you should be obligated to save the violinist. Utilitarians gonna utilitarian.

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