The problem is to defend people in this situation they can't make a switch to 'another bank'. Have you ever actually tried going bankless? It's impossible, it's like trying to go totally off grid these days. Even Nigel Farage, a guy with millions, he couldn't do shit and was denied by a ton of other banks when he got debanked.
Sure if you're lucky enough to find a plot of land with a reliable water supply and good soil you could manage it, maybe some woodland in the middle of nowhere. Even then though depending on the country you still need to pay property tax and that requires a bank account. Governments don't accept cash only payments even if you were to give them it in a letter. If you're not lucky enough to have a water supply and can deal with all of that yourself you'll also need utility companies to keep up with modern living standards.
People who post this sort of thing really haven't taken five seconds to actually try doing what they fantasise about. Short of buying an island in the middle of nowhere that a government has no interest in and going at it yourself there's little you can do and this is all by design. When it comes to the sovereignty of an individual, western governments especially are absolutely brutal in preventing it.
Hell, if you actually look at land ownership laws, you technically don't even own your own land, you're just 'leasing' it off the government and they can take it away from you for any arbitrary reason they make up.
This is the uncomfortable truth with those wanting to cut themselves off from the grid and the state. Beside international waters and Antarctica, subject to international treaties, every bit of land on Earth has an owner, either private or the state. At some point you are going to have to engage in the financial and banking system and/or engage with a state that wants its taxes due. It has been the case for a millennium, which is why the Domesday Book was a thing.
The only example I have known to be anywhere near a success is the Principality of Sealand and even then, you'll still see protest from the UK Government over its existence. Even pirate radio stations broadcasting in international waters to the UK and Netherlands didn't stop them being in reach of the law. Someone had to supply them with drinking water and food.
I've heard this talked about by some of the Canadian trucker dissidents, namely Jeremy Mackenzie and his girlfriend.
They were randomly debanked long after the protest by one of Canada’s Big Six banks.
Then they found out there's some sort of secret behind-the-scenes social credit banking network (besides old school credit score).
They detailed going to their little podunk rural credit union branch, explaining the system to the teller who seemed dismayed and sympathetic.
Then, later on while trying to open a simple bank account, these same credit union employees change their tune and return saying "We're sorry, we can't be in business with you".
I know but you clearly didn't realise the implications of what you were telling people, it really is impossible to 'avoid' a bank, these days and bearing in mind as well Nigel Farage got debanked, he's a rich guy and all the other banks followed suit and denied him accounts.
The problem is to defend people in this situation they can't make a switch to 'another bank'. Have you ever actually tried going bankless? It's impossible, it's like trying to go totally off grid these days. Even Nigel Farage, a guy with millions, he couldn't do shit and was denied by a ton of other banks when he got debanked.
Sure if you're lucky enough to find a plot of land with a reliable water supply and good soil you could manage it, maybe some woodland in the middle of nowhere. Even then though depending on the country you still need to pay property tax and that requires a bank account. Governments don't accept cash only payments even if you were to give them it in a letter. If you're not lucky enough to have a water supply and can deal with all of that yourself you'll also need utility companies to keep up with modern living standards.
People who post this sort of thing really haven't taken five seconds to actually try doing what they fantasise about. Short of buying an island in the middle of nowhere that a government has no interest in and going at it yourself there's little you can do and this is all by design. When it comes to the sovereignty of an individual, western governments especially are absolutely brutal in preventing it.
Hell, if you actually look at land ownership laws, you technically don't even own your own land, you're just 'leasing' it off the government and they can take it away from you for any arbitrary reason they make up.
This is the uncomfortable truth with those wanting to cut themselves off from the grid and the state. Beside international waters and Antarctica, subject to international treaties, every bit of land on Earth has an owner, either private or the state. At some point you are going to have to engage in the financial and banking system and/or engage with a state that wants its taxes due. It has been the case for a millennium, which is why the Domesday Book was a thing.
The only example I have known to be anywhere near a success is the Principality of Sealand and even then, you'll still see protest from the UK Government over its existence. Even pirate radio stations broadcasting in international waters to the UK and Netherlands didn't stop them being in reach of the law. Someone had to supply them with drinking water and food.
Transfer your money to a local bank. The owner either can't afford to care about or just agrees with your politics.
I've heard this talked about by some of the Canadian trucker dissidents, namely Jeremy Mackenzie and his girlfriend.
They were randomly debanked long after the protest by one of Canada’s Big Six banks.
Then they found out there's some sort of secret behind-the-scenes social credit banking network (besides old school credit score).
They detailed going to their little podunk rural credit union branch, explaining the system to the teller who seemed dismayed and sympathetic.
Then, later on while trying to open a simple bank account, these same credit union employees change their tune and return saying "We're sorry, we can't be in business with you".
That escalated quickly. All I said was people should avoid Chase, since they are particularly bad. There are credit unions I like. That's what i do.
I know but you clearly didn't realise the implications of what you were telling people, it really is impossible to 'avoid' a bank, these days and bearing in mind as well Nigel Farage got debanked, he's a rich guy and all the other banks followed suit and denied him accounts.