Oof, I'm actually in a pretty good mood today so I switched my patience mindset on and I'm glad I did because if I had looked at this when I was grumpy I would have been fucking annoyed.
What I'm glad about it is even the redditors are bitching about all of this which is funny and tells you how bad things are but here's what really stuck out for me and it was one of the woman's comment.
The guys I see have the most success in meeting women at these events aren’t conventional 10s (they’re not ugly at all — and attraction is so relative so, whatever), but they’re clearly the guys who have a dynamic personality, they’re obviously a fun time to be around, know how to strike up and maintain a conversation, etc. But they’re such a small percentage of the men attending.
That's because it's you, women are fucking shit at conversation with men and I am calling out women on this one. When I took a brave pill once and actively tried to chat to girls on dating apps ( Waste of time by the way, 90% of the accounts are bots and scammers ) do you know what the biggest problem I kept running into? I had to carry the conversation every fucking time and even when I was trying these women actually pissed me off because they would just barely respond even though they matched. It was so bad I couldn't tell the difference between them and bots.
Ironically and rather sadly, the best response I ever got was from a girl that rejected me but she was actually nice and we chatted a bit and she was asking me why I didn't date girls in my own country. Short explanation of basically trust me on the quality of girls here ( They're almost all going to be feminists ) LOL but she even told me I should probably date european then which honestly, that's genuine advice.
I guarantee you not just this woman but all the women are full of shit on the conversation front. They probably do absolutely nothing to break the ice and strike up a conversation. I bet if they actually tried chatting to some of these guys properly about their hobbies or whatever they might end up being pleasantly surprised but because they've had terrible advice from other women they're stuck.
You see this all the fucking time from women who bitch about getting a date. I bet especially as well they'll only even look at certain types of men. I wonder how many of them are middle class and have even looked at a working class guy because they're judgemental as fuck when it comes to that sort of thing as well as we know from the dating research that's been done.
Think about it, when have you ever had a woman actually start a conversation with you unprompted for the past 20 years? On a rare occasion you do get a chatty woman who is pretty outgoing but when it comes to a lot of women they really are full of shit on this point.
Think about it, when have you ever had a woman actually start a conversation with you unprompted for the past 20 years? On a rare occasion you do get a chatty woman who is pretty outgoing but when it comes to a lot of women they really are full of shit on this point.
Well, a decently attractive woman did do this after divine liturgy a few weeks back and we talk after services now, I'll probably try to see where things go. It's a smaller parish with basically everyone else already married so I was lowkey surprised.
Outside of that, I got the unprompted conversations before I put 70lbs of fat on lol (which, I've lost about 45lbs of so far). I hear things are muuuch better outside the US but here you generally have to follow Rules 1 & 2 and I can personally attest to that after seeing things from both sides.
Agreed, I'd say in general if a man isn't attractive he has to do the lion's share of any engaging and generally should be wary of unprompted active engagement from women.
Eh, depending on my mood I'd probably say even attractive men should be wary of that. I generally think women who actively pursue are either trying to work an angle or have some sort of underlying issue (e.g., BPD). Unsure of whether that says more about me than them or not and I'd be surprised if there's relevant literature on the topic.
It really does depend on the woman that but I do see your point from a security perspective because you don't know as a guy because it's that rare if they're working some sort of scam. It's a shame really because if women actually wanted to do something to repair gender relations being more forward and an initiator would certainly help. Obviously yeah, if she just chats up guys left and right, probably a slut, but if it's somebody who's genuine and just decides to interact that's a nice thing to experience.
During undergrad I'd have plenty start talking to me even though my mood was shit and my demeanor would be that of a pissed off racoon. I actually wish I'd have not been as depressed as I was and actually returned the attention but I didn't care to date at the time.
I'm not even out of my 20s now but trying to find a not shit woman seems like a herculean tasks now
Oof, I'm actually in a pretty good mood today so I switched my patience mindset on and I'm glad I did because if I had looked at this when I was grumpy I would have been fucking annoyed.
What I'm glad about it is even the redditors are bitching about all of this which is funny and tells you how bad things are but here's what really stuck out for me and it was one of the woman's comment.
That's because it's you, women are fucking shit at conversation with men and I am calling out women on this one. When I took a brave pill once and actively tried to chat to girls on dating apps ( Waste of time by the way, 90% of the accounts are bots and scammers ) do you know what the biggest problem I kept running into? I had to carry the conversation every fucking time and even when I was trying these women actually pissed me off because they would just barely respond even though they matched. It was so bad I couldn't tell the difference between them and bots.
Ironically and rather sadly, the best response I ever got was from a girl that rejected me but she was actually nice and we chatted a bit and she was asking me why I didn't date girls in my own country. Short explanation of basically trust me on the quality of girls here ( They're almost all going to be feminists ) LOL but she even told me I should probably date european then which honestly, that's genuine advice.
I guarantee you not just this woman but all the women are full of shit on the conversation front. They probably do absolutely nothing to break the ice and strike up a conversation. I bet if they actually tried chatting to some of these guys properly about their hobbies or whatever they might end up being pleasantly surprised but because they've had terrible advice from other women they're stuck.
You see this all the fucking time from women who bitch about getting a date. I bet especially as well they'll only even look at certain types of men. I wonder how many of them are middle class and have even looked at a working class guy because they're judgemental as fuck when it comes to that sort of thing as well as we know from the dating research that's been done.
Think about it, when have you ever had a woman actually start a conversation with you unprompted for the past 20 years? On a rare occasion you do get a chatty woman who is pretty outgoing but when it comes to a lot of women they really are full of shit on this point.
Well, a decently attractive woman did do this after divine liturgy a few weeks back and we talk after services now, I'll probably try to see where things go. It's a smaller parish with basically everyone else already married so I was lowkey surprised.
Outside of that, I got the unprompted conversations before I put 70lbs of fat on lol (which, I've lost about 45lbs of so far). I hear things are muuuch better outside the US but here you generally have to follow Rules 1 & 2 and I can personally attest to that after seeing things from both sides.
Oh sure, my point is though it's really rare, which is why when it ever happens to us, the sad thing is, we often remember it very vividly.
Agreed, I'd say in general if a man isn't attractive he has to do the lion's share of any engaging and generally should be wary of unprompted active engagement from women.
Eh, depending on my mood I'd probably say even attractive men should be wary of that. I generally think women who actively pursue are either trying to work an angle or have some sort of underlying issue (e.g., BPD). Unsure of whether that says more about me than them or not and I'd be surprised if there's relevant literature on the topic.
It really does depend on the woman that but I do see your point from a security perspective because you don't know as a guy because it's that rare if they're working some sort of scam. It's a shame really because if women actually wanted to do something to repair gender relations being more forward and an initiator would certainly help. Obviously yeah, if she just chats up guys left and right, probably a slut, but if it's somebody who's genuine and just decides to interact that's a nice thing to experience.
Middle Eastern girls are overlooked. Some Kurdish and Armenian chicks definitely got it going on
During undergrad I'd have plenty start talking to me even though my mood was shit and my demeanor would be that of a pissed off racoon. I actually wish I'd have not been as depressed as I was and actually returned the attention but I didn't care to date at the time.
I'm not even out of my 20s now but trying to find a not shit woman seems like a herculean tasks now