The recent controversies with Steven Crowder and Ron DeSantis have really hammered home how conservatives only seem to come in two camps, neocon shills for Israel or deeply closeted homosexuals. (Matt Walsh is both at the same time.) Trump should abandon these losers immediately and start an America First party. Hed win easily.
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I don't understand how you Trump 2024 guys don't see that Trump is the biggest embarrassment imaginable these days.
The man is attending CNN townhalls while crying about having a primary debate at the Reagan Center
He is making statements that New York handled COVID better than Florida.
I am ashamed that I even voted for this clown twice.
Trump would get blown the fuck out like Barry Goldwater in a general election if he started his own party of MAGA grifters.
And it would split the vote big time
Good. Fuck the GOP. It should be destroyed
You think a third party is possible though?
If there was ever a time for it to happen, now is that time.
Pathetic establishment cope. Show me anything conservatives have done in the last four years other then embarrass themselves. Tell me who can hit the numbers Trump did in 2020, keeping in mind he broke a record for a sitting president and also brought in more minority votes then any GOP candidate has, and also what platform conservatives can run on other then seething over trannies, which is literally all they can talk about anymore.
You don't think the guy selling NFTs is embarrassing?
I am tired of you guys falsely calling any criticism of Trump as muh establishment.
The reality is that Trump has become the GOP establishment.
He saved Ronna McDaniel from being replaced by Harmeet Dhillon. He is also responsible for Kevin McCarthy becoming Speaker.
Your comments about 2020 are irrelevant because Trump ultimately lost 2020 regardless of how it happened. He was unable to secure the re-election win even as an incumbent. Biden is sitting in the White House right now. Nothing you say changes that cold hard reality.
Now running as a challenger in 2024 Trump has accrued much more baggage since 2020 with J6 and stop the steal.
He has no path to victory in the general election in 2024. It is painfully obvious that he will never set foot in the White House again.
Answer my two questions about who in the GOP can hit the massive numbers he has and what platform conservatives are running on besides "Trannies Bad"
The problem is that Trump alienates suburbs and supercharges Dem turnout much more than he brings out the working class vote.
The GOP can potentially win with reduced Dem turnout and reduced working class turnout but they have no fucking chance of winning with Trump on the ballot because he hyper-accelerates suburban voters trending Democrat.
There is no path to the White House when you get annihilated in swing state suburbs.
For every working class voter he brings out, he brings out atleast two otherwise disaffected Democrats to vote against him and also alienates one more suburban voter against him.
Trump will never set foot again in the White House.
Implying Zion Don is not a shill for Isrsel. The guy who moved the embassy to Jerusalem, the guy who said that Israel rightfully controls Congress, the guy who pardoned Israeli spies instead of his own supporters. Gimme a break.
A third party can't win in America. Look at the fraud the Uniparty perpetrated against him in 2020, and multiply that x100 where we'd not only get zero support from any state and local Republican officials - they'd ALL be actively and openly working against us. Most likely his name wouldn't even appear on ballots across several states, despite meeting all their numerous and ridiculous qualifications. Millions of votes for Trump would mysteriously change to R or D. "Oops, guess our machines weren't programmed for an Independent choice." Republican governors and election workers would be seen chuckling about repeating the fantastic job Katie Hobbs did in AZ. No judges would be willing to hear any legal cases brought by Trump. No standing and laches.
All this will probably happen anyway but its a sure bet they will all work against him if he goes third party, whereas you have some party sycophants now who go whichever way the wind blows. Trump should tell those losers to get the fuck back on the train because its MAGA or bust.
They don't need to cheat to crush a third party Trump run.
Have you seen what reaction the word MAGA elicits in the average suburban voter?
Donald Trump has made the word MAGA so toxic that even when suburbanites agree with the Republican policies they don't vote for the Republican because they despise Trump and anyone affiliated with him with a burning passion.
People here are delusional when they say stupid shit like MAGA or bust.
I am a right wing populist who understands we need a rebranding. Saying MAGA automatically turns off so many people. We need a new slogan and a new candidate.
Trump has learned nothing from his mistakes and he has turned into a NFT selling guy who praises Newsom and Cuomo while attacking DeSantis and Youngkin.
The man is a fucking joke.
Nah, average suburban voters won't speak to me. Could be my red MAGA hat scares them off. *shrug*
It's his brand anyway, if he wants to change it that's fine. He just needs to unapologetically push his platform as the correct direction of the party. That goes for all the candidates really. The point is going "new party" won't ever work unless you're able to pick up and carry the party machinery of several states out the door with you. Grassroots support isn't enough.
I’ve seen this in Texas suburbs and I know you have. People who are pretty right wing but despise trump so much they voted Biden or stayed home
Colin Allred is announcing his run against Ted Cruz in the next two weeks.
Allred will be a formidable opponent. Cruz will be in the fight of his life if Trump is at the top of the ticket in 2024.
I pray Cruz survives and keeps his seat in 2024 because we cannot afford to lose it.
We can flip WV Senate easily with Gov Jim Justice running against Manchin.
Ohio Senate should be a doable flip as long as clown Bernie Moreno is not the nominee. Steve Daines who is in charge of running the National Republican Senate Conference is working hard to ensure Trump doesn't fuck us and prevent Bernie Moreno being endorsed by Trump.
Montana Senate is winnable as long as Ryan Zinke and Matt Rosendale are not the nominees. Zinke is probably not running and Trump won't be endorsing Rosendale since the Club for Growth is backing Rosendale. Trump is currently majorly pissed of at the Club for Growth.
Our best chances of preventing the Dems from having a tri-fecta in 2024 is winning WV and MT/OH senate and keeping TX senate.
Trump and Cruz on the ballot at the same time would be the worst possible ticket for the Texas suburbs. I pray that Trump can be stopped in the primaries.
It is sickening to see these far left candidates gaining traction in Texas
I feel the same way about this horror.
Trump is the Golden Goose for the Dems.
Running against him is a great gift for the Dems.
He allows even far left Dems to make constant gains in the suburbs by being able to run on the simple platform of just not being Donald Trump.
Day by day I am becoming more disappointed in the segments of the GOP base who are deluding themselves and thinking that Trump is popular with the general electorate. There are venereal diseases that are more popular with the general electorate than Donald Trump.
Too many people in the GOP base sadly live in an imaginary world where they think election fraud is the only thing preventing Trump from winning easily.
I think he was a spoiler who decided to go his own way and he was either oblivious to the people manipulating him, or didn't care. She was supposed to win. Everything after that was damage control from the deep state to correct their fuckup and keep him from causing as much damage as possible. They won't get caught off-guard again. He might be thinking if he does everything they want they'll let him back in again.
Trump has done more to get people politically motivated in bettering America then any neocon dweeb ever has.
Trump is responsible for the successful election of the most Democrats in swing state Gubernatorial, House, Senate seats since fucking Barry Goldwater.
Trump had some good policy ideas but through association with him, he has made even those policies less popular.
The results of the 2018, 2020 and 2022 elections shows us how self-destructive Donald Trump has been with regards to advancing right wing policies.
He is the Democrat's Golden Goose.
I have wondered the same thing.
Would a Dem plant do ANYTHING differently than what Trump did?
He has made the Republican brand absolutely toxic in suburbs, he has ensured that Dems have more power than ever before in modern history and he refuses to stop getting involved in the primaries and he has a knack for somehow endorsing the least electable candidate in every fucking state.
Nominating Trump in 2016 was a deal with the devil for all sane conservatives. We won 2016 but at what cost?
We lost the House in 2018, We lost the Presidency, the House and the Senate in 2020 and we lost the Senate again in 2022. We are on track to be destroyed again in 2024 if the base is foolish enough to nominate Trump again.
Zion Don is no better than Ron DeShabbos.
The unfortunate reality is that there are no "conservative" leaders. Everything in mainstream politics is theatre. There is no political solution.
I think you can find a pretty long history over the last 25 years of embarrassing Republican politicians. That embarrassment didn't exactly disappear when Trump was elected. Not that it was a net negative mind you, but ultimately, Trump didn't really fix the party.
Not claiming he hurt it either, or that he even could've fixed it if he'd done things differently. Just saying that the party's been broken for a long time, at least since Bush Jr's first or second term.
I'd like to think Republicans could sway a lot of voters, especially moderates, if they just abandoned some of the older platforms that have long since become extra decayed dead weight. Unfortunately, I'm not sure the numbers would add up in the end. Plus, Republican funding sources have grown increasingly slim over the years while the Democrats have only increased how freely they'll suck off corporate lobbyists.
The entire GOP establishment are are already conservative grifters so he's no different in that respect.
You mean you don't like women's sports and marriage shilling?
Duh.