And then he stepped on the little old lady and the war orphans as he picked up the change I tried to give them. And then he cackled with glee as he heard their fingers snap. He's just so evil and mean. It was all I could afford and he took it from them. I was ever so scared!
Give me a fucking break. This man is a piece of shit. I don't care that he kept his state open, one good act does not a saint make.
This is exactly the kind of blind and ugly hatred towards Governor Kemp that I often see on this board.
COVID was the issue of this decade and he was right on this issue when few others were. I never said that he is a saint.
I merely respect him for doing right by his voters and standing up for them even when it required him to stand up to the President of the U.S. and the leader of his own party at that time.
People like you completely hate him over a perception that he somehow wronged Trump by not magically gifting him the GA electoral votes in the 2020 election.
Regardless of your petty hate towards Gov Kemp, I would rather take Kemp's COVID policy anyday over Trump's "15 days to slow the spread" and his deferring to Fauci like a pathetic cuck.
Its just so frustrating. Because he should be able to take the nuanced position of "yeah Trump fucked up X, Y, Z etc, as such I do not want him to run and will not vote for him. However, I can still acknowledge the fortifying that went on in 2020." But he literally can't. Because it would be seen as some sort of moral victory for orange man or something? I dont even know.
How is Governor Kemp responsible for state legislatures in every swing states allowing mass mail in ballots using COVID as an excuse?
Kemp certified the election in his state because the Trump campaign had no hard evidence to show regarding mass mail in ballot fraud.
There is especially no evidence to support the claims that Sydney Powell and Lin Wood made regarding Dominion machines being used to steal the election.
The reality is that the left was able to use mail in ballot rule changes to flood the zone with mail in ballots.
I know what happened in 2020 and it could have been entirely prevented had Trump not allowed Fauci to lockdown and if Trump had a better legal team that fought to prevent the mail in ballot changes from taking place before the election.
The lockdowns allowed swing state legislatures the cover to push mass mail in ballot rule changes.
What you call "stealing the election" is unfortunately technically legal thanks to the lack of election integrity regarding mail in ballots.
It is absurd that signature verification and voter id is not even present in all of the swing states.
I definitely acknowledge there are improvements needed to improve election integrity.
If only we had good candidates in 2022 who could have won governor races in AZ, WI, MI and PA.
Thanks to Trump endorsing shit candidates in those states, nothing has changed with regards to election integrity in those states.
What happened in the 2020 election is unfortunately wholly legal since swing states have pisspoor election integrity measures.
We need to win elections to make our future elections secure.
Trump is not going to be able to win a national election in 2024.
How is Governor Kemp responsible for state legislatures in every swing states allowing mass mail in ballots using COVID as an excuse?
No one implied he is responsible for things outside of his state. But his state was one of the worst, and he didn't even try to pretend to give a shit about it. Oh, the pipe burst and they had to stop counting for the night? No one with an IQ above room temperature actually believes that, and Kemp let it happen, probably because he was in on the joke.
There is especially no evidence to support the claims that Sydney Powell and Lin Wood made regarding Dominion machines being used to steal the election.
I never implied there was. I was never a fan of those theories because they served as a distraction from the actual issues.
The reality is that the left was able to use mail in ballot rule changes to flood the zone with mail in ballots.
That is a big part of it, but a huge portion of the fraud came in the form of signature verification. Percentage of rejected signatures tanked in certain key areas enough to move the needle. The people facilitating the process on the ground know the ballots with non matching signatures are more likely to be voting D. There's a reason dems were more than happy to let people inspect the voting machines, but fought tooth and nail to prevent signature audits. The only small scale signature audit of the 2020 election that I know of in Arizona revealed fraudulent signatures occurring at a rate multiple times what would have swayed the results
I know what happened in 2020 and it could have been entirely prevented had Trump not allowed Fauci to lockdown and if Trump had a better legal team that fought to prevent the mail in ballot changes from taking place before the election.
You're not wrong there. Entirely prevented is a bit much, but there's a good chance prevented enough to change the result.
The lockdowns allowed swing state legislatures the cover to push mass mail in ballot rule changes.
One of the major issues is that the legislature is not what authorized a lot of the changes that allowed shenanigans to take place. Constitutionally that is how it is supposed to happen, but that is not what happened in many places.
What you call "stealing the election" is unfortunately technically legal thanks to the lack of election integrity regarding mail in ballots.
Anything that is approved by Congress and sanctioned by the courts is technically legal from a process standpoint. That says nothing about whether anything untoward did or did not happen, and whether more could have been done to prevent it if it did.
Thanks to Trump endorsing shit candidates in those states, nothing has changed with regards to election integrity in those states.
Kari Lake was an amazing candidate. PA there was never any chance to win. Both of those states are still heavily fortified. Lake got screwed even more blatantly than orange man.
Trump is not going to be able to win a national election in 2024.
Much to your chagrin we will likely get to see whether or not that is true. Barring major medical trouble.
She purposely alienated McCain voters and even told them to get the hell out at one of her rallies instead of trying to get as many votes as possible.
She could have won despite the election day Maricopa issues if only she didn't push away many center right voters.
Why would you ever tell people not to vote for you and demonize a dead politician even if you hated him?
She had good communication skills but she unfortunately had absolutely terrible political sense.
She also leaned way too hard into Trump worship. That infamous picture of her vacuuming a rug that Trump would stand on before Trump arrived to one of her rallies devastated her appeal to independents.
Kari Lake is the prime example of pure wasted talent. She could have won despite the election day shenanigans had she just done a few things differently.
She has since destroyed her future political career by going full "stop the steal" grifter mode where she still gives her supporters false hope that the courts will somehow allow a redo of the election.
She has also gone full Trump cultist and spread blatant lies that Soros somehow endorsed Governor DeSantis.
Lake is one of the most obnoxious figures in the GOP these days.
I pray she never wins a primary again for any office again in Arizona so we won't throw more winnable races away.
Being a shittier candidate just for muh electability purposes is not a winning play long term. The overton window needs to shift. Having candidates like her who say the right shit and tell the right people to fuck off is exactly what we need. And the fact remains that she wins barring election shenanigans.
She has since destroyed her future political career by going full "stop the steal" grifter mode where she still gives her supporters false hope that the courts will somehow allow a redo of the election.
She is set for life regardless of what she does. Saying what she is doing is grifting is just you going out of your way to interpret it in that manner. Fighting election integrity battles is a very uphill battle. I'm not over here saying she will be instated as governor, but continuing to keep the issue in the news is important. Continuing to wage legal battle is important. Footage from her case has been the most effective thing when it comes to getting through to my family members that try to pretend no shenanigans are afoot. As blatant as it is, we are still at the part where we need to spread awareness.
I recognize your username as having been here and on reddit for a while, so I will generally defend you when people accuse you of being a shill. But when you pull this "I pray good candidates don't win primaries because they are less likely to win, I would rather have a more milquetoast loser win because they are more electable" shit, it is not hard to see why people call you a shill so often. DeSantis is a bit of an exception, because he has been such a good governor, that at least one can reason that if he does a similar job as president then we could expect him to do a good job. But I dont think anyone is under any similar impressions that the alternatives running in most GOP Governor or senator primaries are similarly solid.
You are a Trump cultist if you are unironically going to compare me to Imp and his blaming of women for EVERYTHING.
I don't blame Trump for everything. I blame Trump for only things he is actually responsible for such as not firing Fauci, authorizing Operation Warpspeed, calling his supporters to the Capitol on 1/6 and ruining their lives and not even pardoning the non-violent ones, for endorsing shit candidates in 2022 like Doug Mastriano, Dr. Oz, Herschel Walker and Kari Lake in the midterms and throwing away key races and now for incessantly attacking DeSantis more than he attacks the left. This stupid shit is what I blame him for.
All of this is actual criticism not just the Orange Man Bad.
Calling my criticism of the man as TDS is getting really old.
The only TDS I see here is Trump 2024 shills with Trump Dicksucking Syndrome.
I voted for this guy twice but after seeing how he bungled everything since 2020 and made himself unelectable I don't think he should ever be the GOP nominee again.
You are in a cult if you reflexively call this as "muh TDS"
Thats the thing though, you act like this place is patriots.win. Where is all the blind Trump dickriding that you act like is so prevalent on this board? I dont pretend to have read every comment and every post here, but I do read most of them. I dont see much orange man dickriding, but I do see you pretending that any slight pushback against your zealous rantings is Trump dickriding.
Have you not noticed that every post and comment I ever make that includes even any criticism of Trump 2024 is downvoted while any comment or post that I make about other topics is upvoted.
Must just be a coincidence huh?
There are definitely some bona-fide Trump cultists in this small forum since this forum is hosted on the same overall .win domain as patriots.win. Patriots.win is the largest collection of Trump cultists online outside of Truth social.
I don't care how many people downvote me here for voicing what I want to say but the reality is that we do have some actual dedicated Trump dickriders here.
Are you really this tone deaf? It's because you're becoming a meme, dude. Like the other user said, you're essentially becoming Imp except for Trump. Your anti Trump posts come off as impassioned ramblings of someone who goes around accusing everyone else of being blinded by their bias while being blatantly blinded by your own. This is why people (myself often included) downvote your posts without comment.
You're doing it again. Some of your criticism is valid. Orange man obviously has a lot of things he deserves criticism for. But then you veer into territory that is a stretch at best, like praising an establishment neocon because you perceive him as having stood up to Trump.
You even admit that you yourself constantly downvote me because you clearly get upset that I dare criticize Trump.
Are you so far gone that you can't realize your framing here is completely different than what I said?
You basically are a Trump dickrider since you cannot even accept that valid criticism of him can exist.
Surely you can realize how much of a strawman this is. Your posts are often times based around kernels of truth where orange man did screw the pooch and does deserve criticism, but then you ruin it by dialing it up to 11 and going past the realm of reality. Like this post actually.
Again, the fact that you get even mild pushback and immediately conclude "you're just a Trump dickrider who can't accept that valid criticism of him exists" is the height of ridiculousness, even without considering the fact that I've made plenty of comments here over the past couple years that have been critical of him.
This is another reason why people downvote your posts without comment. Usually I enjoy discussion on this board. The quality of discourse is high, and even if I disagree with someone I tend to come away glad that I had a discussion with them. But it isn't that way with you when it comes to Trump, despite the fact that I know I've had good discussion with you on other topics in the past. Talking with you about Trump makes me feel like I'm back on reddit, where you offer any slight pushback on something and are immediately greeted with emotionally charged logical fallacies.
My criticism of Trump is not baseless like Imp's hatred of women.
Now you've gone and done it. I have to defend Imp.
Imp's hatred of women is not baseless. It's just taken to an insane degree that everybody else gets sick of hearing about. Just like your Trump hatred.
Calling my criticism of the man as TDS is getting really old.
Yeah, it's just stupid to just dismiss people who disagree with you with labels like, I dunno, "cultist" or something. Only an asshole would do something like that.
Wow. I know it’s hindsight but I really wish Trump realized he was surrounded by people who wanted eternal lockdowns
He remains surrounded by many of these same people and he still refuses to say that lockdowns were a mistake.
Its called controlled opposition
And then he stepped on the little old lady and the war orphans as he picked up the change I tried to give them. And then he cackled with glee as he heard their fingers snap. He's just so evil and mean. It was all I could afford and he took it from them. I was ever so scared!
Give me a fucking break. This man is a piece of shit. I don't care that he kept his state open, one good act does not a saint make.
This is exactly the kind of blind and ugly hatred towards Governor Kemp that I often see on this board.
COVID was the issue of this decade and he was right on this issue when few others were. I never said that he is a saint.
I merely respect him for doing right by his voters and standing up for them even when it required him to stand up to the President of the U.S. and the leader of his own party at that time.
People like you completely hate him over a perception that he somehow wronged Trump by not magically gifting him the GA electoral votes in the 2020 election.
Wrong, my dude. The man is slimy.
Regardless of your petty hate towards Gov Kemp, I would rather take Kemp's COVID policy anyday over Trump's "15 days to slow the spread" and his deferring to Fauci like a pathetic cuck.
Its just so frustrating. Because he should be able to take the nuanced position of "yeah Trump fucked up X, Y, Z etc, as such I do not want him to run and will not vote for him. However, I can still acknowledge the fortifying that went on in 2020." But he literally can't. Because it would be seen as some sort of moral victory for orange man or something? I dont even know.
How is Governor Kemp responsible for state legislatures in every swing states allowing mass mail in ballots using COVID as an excuse?
Kemp certified the election in his state because the Trump campaign had no hard evidence to show regarding mass mail in ballot fraud.
There is especially no evidence to support the claims that Sydney Powell and Lin Wood made regarding Dominion machines being used to steal the election.
The reality is that the left was able to use mail in ballot rule changes to flood the zone with mail in ballots.
I know what happened in 2020 and it could have been entirely prevented had Trump not allowed Fauci to lockdown and if Trump had a better legal team that fought to prevent the mail in ballot changes from taking place before the election.
The lockdowns allowed swing state legislatures the cover to push mass mail in ballot rule changes.
What you call "stealing the election" is unfortunately technically legal thanks to the lack of election integrity regarding mail in ballots.
It is absurd that signature verification and voter id is not even present in all of the swing states.
I definitely acknowledge there are improvements needed to improve election integrity.
If only we had good candidates in 2022 who could have won governor races in AZ, WI, MI and PA.
Thanks to Trump endorsing shit candidates in those states, nothing has changed with regards to election integrity in those states.
What happened in the 2020 election is unfortunately wholly legal since swing states have pisspoor election integrity measures.
We need to win elections to make our future elections secure.
Trump is not going to be able to win a national election in 2024.
No one implied he is responsible for things outside of his state. But his state was one of the worst, and he didn't even try to pretend to give a shit about it. Oh, the pipe burst and they had to stop counting for the night? No one with an IQ above room temperature actually believes that, and Kemp let it happen, probably because he was in on the joke.
I never implied there was. I was never a fan of those theories because they served as a distraction from the actual issues.
That is a big part of it, but a huge portion of the fraud came in the form of signature verification. Percentage of rejected signatures tanked in certain key areas enough to move the needle. The people facilitating the process on the ground know the ballots with non matching signatures are more likely to be voting D. There's a reason dems were more than happy to let people inspect the voting machines, but fought tooth and nail to prevent signature audits. The only small scale signature audit of the 2020 election that I know of in Arizona revealed fraudulent signatures occurring at a rate multiple times what would have swayed the results
You're not wrong there. Entirely prevented is a bit much, but there's a good chance prevented enough to change the result.
One of the major issues is that the legislature is not what authorized a lot of the changes that allowed shenanigans to take place. Constitutionally that is how it is supposed to happen, but that is not what happened in many places.
Anything that is approved by Congress and sanctioned by the courts is technically legal from a process standpoint. That says nothing about whether anything untoward did or did not happen, and whether more could have been done to prevent it if it did.
Kari Lake was an amazing candidate. PA there was never any chance to win. Both of those states are still heavily fortified. Lake got screwed even more blatantly than orange man.
Much to your chagrin we will likely get to see whether or not that is true. Barring major medical trouble.
Lake was a shitty candidate for a few reasons.
She purposely alienated McCain voters and even told them to get the hell out at one of her rallies instead of trying to get as many votes as possible.
She could have won despite the election day Maricopa issues if only she didn't push away many center right voters.
Why would you ever tell people not to vote for you and demonize a dead politician even if you hated him?
She had good communication skills but she unfortunately had absolutely terrible political sense.
She also leaned way too hard into Trump worship. That infamous picture of her vacuuming a rug that Trump would stand on before Trump arrived to one of her rallies devastated her appeal to independents.
Kari Lake is the prime example of pure wasted talent. She could have won despite the election day shenanigans had she just done a few things differently.
She has since destroyed her future political career by going full "stop the steal" grifter mode where she still gives her supporters false hope that the courts will somehow allow a redo of the election.
She has also gone full Trump cultist and spread blatant lies that Soros somehow endorsed Governor DeSantis.
Lake is one of the most obnoxious figures in the GOP these days.
I pray she never wins a primary again for any office again in Arizona so we won't throw more winnable races away.
Being a shittier candidate just for muh electability purposes is not a winning play long term. The overton window needs to shift. Having candidates like her who say the right shit and tell the right people to fuck off is exactly what we need. And the fact remains that she wins barring election shenanigans.
She is set for life regardless of what she does. Saying what she is doing is grifting is just you going out of your way to interpret it in that manner. Fighting election integrity battles is a very uphill battle. I'm not over here saying she will be instated as governor, but continuing to keep the issue in the news is important. Continuing to wage legal battle is important. Footage from her case has been the most effective thing when it comes to getting through to my family members that try to pretend no shenanigans are afoot. As blatant as it is, we are still at the part where we need to spread awareness.
I recognize your username as having been here and on reddit for a while, so I will generally defend you when people accuse you of being a shill. But when you pull this "I pray good candidates don't win primaries because they are less likely to win, I would rather have a more milquetoast loser win because they are more electable" shit, it is not hard to see why people call you a shill so often. DeSantis is a bit of an exception, because he has been such a good governor, that at least one can reason that if he does a similar job as president then we could expect him to do a good job. But I dont think anyone is under any similar impressions that the alternatives running in most GOP Governor or senator primaries are similarly solid.
Your TDS rivals that of most leftists I know in real life.
He honestly reminds me of Imp but for Trump.
You are a Trump cultist if you are unironically going to compare me to Imp and his blaming of women for EVERYTHING.
I don't blame Trump for everything. I blame Trump for only things he is actually responsible for such as not firing Fauci, authorizing Operation Warpspeed, calling his supporters to the Capitol on 1/6 and ruining their lives and not even pardoning the non-violent ones, for endorsing shit candidates in 2022 like Doug Mastriano, Dr. Oz, Herschel Walker and Kari Lake in the midterms and throwing away key races and now for incessantly attacking DeSantis more than he attacks the left. This stupid shit is what I blame him for.
All of this is actual criticism not just the Orange Man Bad.
Except DeSantis actually is a piece of shit.
Calling my criticism of the man as TDS is getting really old.
The only TDS I see here is Trump 2024 shills with Trump Dicksucking Syndrome.
I voted for this guy twice but after seeing how he bungled everything since 2020 and made himself unelectable I don't think he should ever be the GOP nominee again.
You are in a cult if you reflexively call this as "muh TDS"
Thats the thing though, you act like this place is patriots.win. Where is all the blind Trump dickriding that you act like is so prevalent on this board? I dont pretend to have read every comment and every post here, but I do read most of them. I dont see much orange man dickriding, but I do see you pretending that any slight pushback against your zealous rantings is Trump dickriding.
Have you not noticed that every post and comment I ever make that includes even any criticism of Trump 2024 is downvoted while any comment or post that I make about other topics is upvoted.
Must just be a coincidence huh?
There are definitely some bona-fide Trump cultists in this small forum since this forum is hosted on the same overall .win domain as patriots.win. Patriots.win is the largest collection of Trump cultists online outside of Truth social.
I don't care how many people downvote me here for voicing what I want to say but the reality is that we do have some actual dedicated Trump dickriders here.
Nice try on your attempt to deny reality.
Are you really this tone deaf? It's because you're becoming a meme, dude. Like the other user said, you're essentially becoming Imp except for Trump. Your anti Trump posts come off as impassioned ramblings of someone who goes around accusing everyone else of being blinded by their bias while being blatantly blinded by your own. This is why people (myself often included) downvote your posts without comment.
My criticism of Trump is not baseless like Imp's hatred of women.
My criticism of Trump comes from the non stop fuck ups that the man has made since 2020.
Criticizing him for his mistakes is not becoming a meme.
You even admit that you yourself constantly downvote me because you clearly get upset that I dare criticize Trump.
You basically are a Trump dickrider since you cannot even accept that valid criticism of him can exist.
I personally don't want Trump to be the 2024 nominee. I will not vote for him ever again because I vehemently despise his behavior since 2020.
You're doing it again. Some of your criticism is valid. Orange man obviously has a lot of things he deserves criticism for. But then you veer into territory that is a stretch at best, like praising an establishment neocon because you perceive him as having stood up to Trump.
Are you so far gone that you can't realize your framing here is completely different than what I said?
Surely you can realize how much of a strawman this is. Your posts are often times based around kernels of truth where orange man did screw the pooch and does deserve criticism, but then you ruin it by dialing it up to 11 and going past the realm of reality. Like this post actually.
Again, the fact that you get even mild pushback and immediately conclude "you're just a Trump dickrider who can't accept that valid criticism of him exists" is the height of ridiculousness, even without considering the fact that I've made plenty of comments here over the past couple years that have been critical of him.
This is another reason why people downvote your posts without comment. Usually I enjoy discussion on this board. The quality of discourse is high, and even if I disagree with someone I tend to come away glad that I had a discussion with them. But it isn't that way with you when it comes to Trump, despite the fact that I know I've had good discussion with you on other topics in the past. Talking with you about Trump makes me feel like I'm back on reddit, where you offer any slight pushback on something and are immediately greeted with emotionally charged logical fallacies.
Now you've gone and done it. I have to defend Imp.
Imp's hatred of women is not baseless. It's just taken to an insane degree that everybody else gets sick of hearing about. Just like your Trump hatred.
If Imp trips he will blame women for it.
He baselessly blames women.
That is not what I would ever do concerning the orange man.
I vehemently despise his actions since 2020 but I do not blame him for things he is not responsible for.
People like you overly idolize Trump and can't stand that I aggressively criticize him on valid grounds.
Yeah, it's just stupid to just dismiss people who disagree with you with labels like, I dunno, "cultist" or something. Only an asshole would do something like that.
I call people who constantly make excuses for Trump and insist that only he must be the nominee again in 2024 Trump cultists.
Call me an asshole if it makes you feel better but I call out Trump cultism when I see it.
Into the garbage it goes.
It couldn't get less credible
I mean, it could.