There was this post by u/GeneralBoobs which was pretty highly upvoted (with no downvotes):
The jew is the leader, the army is literal nazis. If their grifter leader wasn't getting them money and weapons, he'd be dead.
I wonder about you in general, but I also answered him personally:
If he was a traitor to the nation, yes, of course the nationalists would depose him.
Which is very ironic since Putin believed how they would instantly depose Z out of their great love of Russia and desire to surrender. Or that he would just flee, as offered by the West as Russians were driving straight on Kyiv from 2 countries, and which he refused (just like Stalin didn't flee Moscow after some deliberation outside a train waiting for him, and the invaders were then repelled on the outskirts of Moscow just like they did in the suburbs of Kyiv, and a similar story with Izetbegovic in Sarajevo but the city center already, on the other hand Chiang did flee from Nanking and then it fell immediately, resulting in his main army and a lot of civs being captured and slaughtered practically without resistance - Warsaw was kind midway, as the national government fled the city and the country and the situation was hopeless, but the mayor remained to the end and led the defense even as "everyone" wanted to surrender: https://weekly.tvp.pl/63110549/everyone-was-in-favour-of-the-capitulation-of-warsaw-just-not-starzynski and the Germans executed him after the city fell).
Now, what would he need to do for you to not consider him a "grifter"?
I'm also wondering about your strong dislike of, to cite the thread title, "yellow and blue nazis". Ukraine is the only country in the world full of completely open white nationalists who are celebrated and in positions of power, and yet you hate it with a passion, despite this very here place being full of (failed) white nationalists in the countries like America where you are utterly despised by the general population and are being beaten and humiliated instead of being hailed by the crowds as "heroes" in the fight against commies and non-whites while marching in their columns with flags and torches.
Is it an envy from you guys, or just simply contrarianism above all?
The TVP (public TV, nationalist-government controlled) article that I posted has a link to a broken-English article titled "Is honor more important than peace? Would “we have grazed cows for the Germans on the Ural”, had it not been for Józef Beck?". It's about an option of us having been allied with the Nazis against the Bolsheviks and conquering Russia together, in exchange for Danzig and an Autobahn corridor to Prussia (and political-military independence). Quite some people today think we should have done this.
Maybe so.
Yeah, I wonder. I don't think GeneralBoobs is a white nationalist, but I have also seen actual white nationalists be anti-Ukraine. They probably think (correctly) that the white nationalists are used as cannon fodder while their sacrifices go towards establishing globalist hegemony in Ukraine.
You call it contrarianism, I call it common sense. The regime supports Ukraine (because it controls Ukraine). So I don't. That would be enough. But Ukraine is also a corrupt, puppet non-country, that has failed miserably for its people over the past 30 years. The economy is a miserable failure. It has been the aggressor, using cluster munitions against its own people. "Democratically" elected presidents have to flee for their lives. So. It was about time that the territory came home. Kharkov, Odessa and Kiev are Russian. Lwow and environs can be a pro-Russian buffer state.
Russia is also a corrupt country. But at least its people are doing better than Ukraine, and the regime does not have control there. So that's something.
Why won't you ever talk in this manner about these "own people" (who didn't consider themselves Ukraine's "own people") as aggresors using cluster munitions against Ukraine? Including their bombardments of the "Russian" cities that you just listed, killing whom they did do call the "own people".
It wasn't just artillerymen (and later pilots) from Russia doing that. It was also the separatists themselves, just armed by Russia with their Grads and Tornados to bombard the Donetsk suburbs and other cities, towns and villages.
I see you didn't listen Mariupol. Maybe because it doesn't really exist much anymore. While some other Donbas cities cities like Popasna now don't exist at all. Back when Russia was firing an average of 50,000 shells and rockets daily in early summer, one of the main targets was Popasna. There is no Popasna today.
Poroshenko didn't "flee for his life". When his cavalcade was attacked by the Literal Nazis, his bodyguards got beaten but as for him they only jumped on his car's hood. And he later returned (in January 2021), to be tried for treason, which didn't took place for obvious reasons and so now he leads his own militia against the regime (the Putin regime).
Neither did the Kurds consider themselves Iraqis, but that hasn't stopped the Americans from claiming that Saddam Hussein "gassed his own people". Which he did, with their aid.
If the rebels used cluster munitions, I condemn that. What do you want me to say?
Screw them too, if true.
This may shock you, but my attitude is not "war crimes are good if they are committed by my allies", like it is for the Americans. Also terrorism is good when they do it, like Nord Stream.
Because it's already in Russian hands.
I will say this though: Ukrainians have been claiming tens of thousands of civilian deaths in Mariupol alone. And yet when claiming civilian casualties for the entire conflict, it was suddenly a lot lower than that. Turns out, you can't really trust the people who claimed that the rocket that landed in Poland was Russian, trying to start World War III, to tell the truth.
Why were they shelling a town to begin with? Was the other side using it as a shield as with Mariupol?
I meant Yanukovic. You know, the "corrupt but 'democratically' elected" president.
That said, I find the charges against Poroshenko to be dubious at best. Guy ran on a peace platform, then terrorized the people of the Donbas for four years, and we're supposed to believe that he was super secretly in league with them?
Here's an article mentioning the Grozny coup attempt by the "not Russian soldiers" in a greater context: https://www.canada.ca/en/army/services/line-sight/articles/2022/02/russias-1994-96-campaign-for-chechnya-a-failure-in-shaping-the-battlespace.html
There it was a total disaster, unlike the total success in Crimea (and the so much more violent and ruthless one in Kabul 1979), and was soon followed a demonstration of force" invasion that was supposed to look like the one in Czechoslovakia 1968 with the same effect.
They also excepted something like Czechoslovakia 1968, maybe Hungary 1956 at most (practically only Budapest resisted and not for long, and mostly with the "fascist" militias not regular soldiers) when invading Ukraine in 2022. Instead they got a bigger and worse Chechnya.
There was some regular resistance in Budapest, including in an island near the center of the city where some soldiers held out even after Nagy himself surrendered (the Soviets and their collaborators later had Nagy executed, and buried somewhere in a garbage dump).
Some deja vu:
The end result is there are practically no ethnic Russians in Grozny today. They either got killed or left, or just died of old age since with no one replacing them. It used to be mostly Russian, now is almost 100% Chechen. A few people in mixed marriages (not many of these) and that's about it.
What a coincidence that this was published in February 2022.
What do you think would have happened if they had gone for the whole thing in 2014? That was a far more valid casus belli than they had in 2022.
Weren't the Russians, including but not limited to the former Ukrainian "own people" who decided to attack their own country, using cities "as shield" for the incidents that you whined about? Or was it happening in demilitarized areas, like Paris 1940? I really don't understand your rhetoric here at all.
Similar thing happened to for example Rubizhne earlier, and to Mariinka all year long (in addition to earlier years' attacks). Mariinka looks like WWI frontline cities, it's literally leveled, erased from existence and a moonscape.
And Russia bombed and shelled Russia (Chechnya in particular) extremely heavily with all sorts of weapons many years before they even started any trouble in Ukraine by arming the rebels and sending in the soldiers in unmarked uniforms while lying and denying about everything.
Which is also what they did in Chechnya, because the feds started the intervention (and it was an intervention, across an established border) with unmarked vehicles and soldiers pretending to be Chechens (beard and all). These guys got just slaughtered (well, many got captured, later released as a Chechen gesture or goodwill to Moscow), but hardly anyone even noticed. It was before the main invasion, a mission to do a coup in Grozny, organised by the FSK (KGB befor eit became FSB). Something like in Crimea, or Kabul earlier, only a total disaster. It's little known but really fascinating. Look it up. Moscow also lied to Grozny they're not going to invade if their guys are to be released, similar to their more recent lies in and about Ukraine, including in the run up to February 24 when they were lying how they're not going to invade. They just lie always, all the time. This is why there's the saying "never believe in anything until the Kremlin denied it".
America didn't aid Saddam with chemical weapons, the Egyptians did (having previously done it in Yemen, using Soviet-supplied chemical weapons against the Yemeni royalists). I already told you about it, you forget it was me and you're still peddiling retarded lies like nothing happned.
Yanukovych fled to Moscow with stolen money just because he wanted the stolen money. Notice how he didn't leave to his own supporters, and never showed up in Ukraine ever since. It's because his former supporters, even these who became rebels and collaborators, regard him as a thief and a traitor, and it's THEY who would just murder him if they could. His return under Russian protection (from them) would also demoralise them. They hate him the most.
Poroshenko didn't run "on peace platform" at all (wtf), and your "terrorizing" aka conflict came from both sides, as Ukraine began to resist.
I wish we (Poland) did Nord Stream. But in reality probably Russians did, which is anticlimactic.
I don't know. But there is no justification for repeatedly shelling the city center of Donetsk - even if there had been soldiers there, since they weren't trying to take the city anyway. Or bombing the city center of Lugansk.
Like the Americans. It's just that I expect people to lie when they're about to invade you. Warfare is deception after all.
How cheap. That's just the old alleged Bismarck saying "never believe anything until it is officially denied".
You claimed it, but why would anyone believe you on that score? You actually at one point that the American government cares about human life and people not starving, which is pretty retarded.
Regardless, at the very least Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people and the Americans didn't care. Because crimes against humanity are not crimes against humanity when it's their ally doing it. Same for shooting Russian POWs in the knees.
He could be literally Hitler, and it wouldn't justify him having to flee for his life because the "democratically" elected president feared for his life.
Man, you're normally so knowledgeable and intelligent, and then you spout crap like this, which makes you sound more ridiculous than the average fentanyl-smoking hobo in San Francisco.
No, not like the Americans. For example the Americans thruthfully saying about the Russian upcoming invasion which the Russians were lying saying the American lying about that, doubling down on their lies. Which is absolutely typical. Just like they've been assuring Dudayev they're not going to invade all the way until they did. That's called being given "the word of a Russian officer."
The Americans no longer even had chemical weapons themselves. Which is why a proportional retaliation strike in the event of a chemical attack has to be nuclear. It's like they have no flamethrowers anymore, and instead use armored bulldozers tthe same job. The Iraqis used Soviet aircraft and Soviet design chemical bombs for the job. The chemical precursor came from all over the world but mostly from Singapore and the UAE, the latter long being a real world Wakanda / Cobra Island crrossver.
Andnyesz the American governmtnaverter the world starvation, also through organising the export of Ukrainian grain through Poland which helped to break the Russian blockade which would starve millions in the shithole countried and set whole regions on fire of rebellions and wars for food.
But I told you he fled for his money, which he didn't split with anyone (inclduding not with his own former supporters, who now hate him), not "for his life". You know, this "grifting" thing? Why are you, and that's plural you, stanning so hard for someone that literally everyone in country hates?
It's like the story of this weirdo "governor of Kherson" (where the billboards would say "Russia is here forever", there was apparently the end of history indeed), who died in a car crash after fleeing from the city in a car (I don't know what happened with this "my tank" of his where he promised to conquer the entire world for Russia with it). The dude was some kind of New Age cultist, but the Russian Orthodox Church (an organization set up by Stalin) declared him, a literal pagan apostate, a saint, because why not.
It was indeed Mariupol, and they deliberately targeted "their own" civilians: https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-un-idUKKBN0KZ26J20150126
An ironic thing js that for years, the attack was remembered annually at the Mariupol Theater Square. Ironic because it was the same place when in 2022 a Russian plane bombed a well known bomb shelter and humanitarian aid / evac point with a characteristic red roof and huge marks of CHILDREN written on both sides of it.
But you see they weren't doing that, even when there were huge military parades there (in artillery range). They were doing fuck all, the biggest thing going on since 2015 and the second ceasefire was when the K2 artillery group (still working in the same area today) fucked up some forward operating bases during a flare up in like 2017. Normally no arty was even allowed at the line of contact due to the ceasefire rules.
And the only one town destroyed after September 2014 was Debaltseve, when the Russian side abolished Minsk I just to attack it with a big offensive involving Russian regulars (the first appearance of formations of Asian soldiers, in the form of Buryat tankists who became known as "Donbas Indians"). On the same day when the declared Minsk I over they also rocketed Mariupol randomly (or was it Kramatorsk, if I leave this tab to check anything my dumb phone will reset everything).
The "bombing" you mentioned was a volley of unguided rockets. They were aimed at the separatist HQ in support of a besieged Luhansk border guard HQ nearby but only 1 rocket hit and the rest exploded in a park in behind it where unfortunately were some random people walking by. These rockets were and are the main armaments of the Su-24s, the Soviets didn't make them for accuracy. Now it's your time to blame "using city as shield" I guess as they barricaded themselves (barricades outside, sandbags in windows) in the city hall that was in the city center instead of a treehouse in a forest or whatever you think it should work like.
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Poroshenko run as a hardliner to begin an "Anti-Terrorist Operation" (Soviet term, also used by Russia for Chechnya) in what soon became the "ATO Zone". It was his program.
You might be mistaking him with Z, who run on the promise to end the war, and practically did end the fighting (as little as it was after 2015) until 2020, just not formally. Everyone not just in the world but on both sides largely forgot about until the Russian "exercises" began in late 2021.
It was a similar frozen conflict like this in Nagorno Karabakh until the Azeri offensive in 2020 that crushed the Armenians. Before that, and that's since the early 1990s, it was just occasional sniping and at most mortaring of each other's trenches. (Not counting an international incident Azeri officer axe-murdering an Armenian one in a NATO facility in Hungary.)
Civilian casualties during 2018-2022 were still almost weekly, but almost exclusively from the old mines and unexploded munitions.
Even the separatist leaders have long stopped murdering each other (or Moscow purging them, the latter according to Strelkov, who says he left because of that and in advance).
There was a peace. In our time.
Interesting, I wasn't confusing him with Vladimir Zelensky, but just had stuff confused. I guess they did get tired after 4 years of his nonsense, since he did run as a hardliner in 2019.
Yes, but one side was preparing a massive offensive to overrun the eastern regions and possibly the Crimea as well. It was just not sustainable. Unless you think that Russia would have been better off waiting until 2032.
As long as there are humans, there will never be peace.
Maybe you should directly DM genboobs with your question.
But then how would he be able to publicly slander him?
I think it's a fair question, not slander, though asked in a somewhat aggressive manner, as is his style. Also he said:
He comes from a country (a real one, unlike Ukraine) that has been brutalized and suppressed by Russia a lot (even in living memory), so it's understandable that he's a little paranoid and rather wrathful about it.
AoV mostly answered this, but I want to point out that you yourself highlighted the US's overwhelming hostility to domestic white nationalism. Sill, it considers supporting Ukraine an absolute priority despite its government having white nationalists in positions of power. Someone is doing a scam here. What do you think the shot is?
I also should point out that if the Ukrainian nationalists are in any way legitimate, then they will find themselves in conflict with the American Empire after the war with the Russia. Time will tell.
I'm not a white nationalist bozo
Chcesz rzeczywistej odpowiedzi, czy jesteś tu tylko po to, żeby ciągle jęczeć jak stara baba?
I work. I have lost everything multiple times. I have been hounded from my school and home by fearful bigots. I have seen everything I owned my entire life burned while small dickless wonders stood around scratching their asses instead of doing their jobs because we weren't one of them. I have had secret police and federal agents track my every move based upon the lies of protected children and their government official parents. Government overreach and private harassment are nothing new.
Fear and small-minded bigotry inherent in mobs and hateful bigots like the Azov battalion and their major supporters are the very same people who have hunted me and mine my entire existence, no matter what race or creed they support.
You want to know why I call them Nazis. Because they call themselves nazis with their symbolism and actions.
You want to know why I call their little president and his wife grifters, because they are grifters. They call upon us to fight their wars, to give them all we have, and yet do nothing to actually broker peace or settle this war they will lose and they will no matter what we give them. They know this, yet demand more money and resources. They want us to gift them everything we have without end. Why? It will not bring back those dead, it will not protect them from Russia, it will not spare the lives of the boys and men they criminally throw at their enemy. They live high on the hog while their people wither and die by the thousands. And why? Why not surrender, why not try to broker peace? Why risk the entire world?
I have lost everything, I have seen my home destroyed, taken by capitalists and criminals alike. I have walked away and started again elsewhere many times. There are times for fighting, and there are times when even the most damned of fools knows it is best to quit.
Naucz się żegnać, głupcze.
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