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Hogwarts Obligatory Transtrender Character Gets Blasted For Name (rofl) (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 2 years ago by LastRights 2 years ago by LastRights +32 / -0
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– joeyjojoshabadoo1 4 points 2 years ago +5 / -1

Yeah, except they won't, because the difference is in letting the 'n' sound hang for a fraction of a second longer. I really doubt they're going to give you the Invasion of the Body Snatchers howl-face and scream "I THINK YOU MEANT JYOSHI, FILTHY GAIJIN" at you.

We're talking about a name here, spoken. Also, jesus christ absolutely murdering a wonderful joke.

"YOU THINK YOU'RE BUYING AN *ONA-HOLE THERE, WHITE BOY? I THINK YOU MEAN *ONNAHOLE LOL."

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– Assassin47 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Based and onani pilled.

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– Bouldabassed 2 points 2 years ago +3 / -1

Really depends on the context and intonation. Sure, if you point at someone and are like あの女超美人! while pronouncing it as ona, then naturally just from context clues they are gonna get it instantly. But if you are mispronouncing something that easy that terribly then you are probably fucking up everything else too so the second context makes it even a little less blatantly obvious, people are going to be tripped up by it even if they understand after thinking for a second or two.

All the strawmanning and false equivalencies in the world don't make this not the case.

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– joeyjojoshabadoo1 0 points 2 years ago +2 / -2

Dude, you want to talk false equivalence, look to yourself.

We're talking a consonant sound that is either 1/8 of a second, or 1/4 of a second. With a difference like that, context is everything. It'd be like hearing someone from India pronounce the first "r" in "February" or the second "c" in "Connecticut." You might incline your head slightly, but probably wouldn't even be sure you heard what you thought you heard.

Speaking of strawmanning, your entire position here is one, in that you're pretending this is some earth-shattering difference, when in fact it's barely discernable out loud. There is zero chance a native speaker is going to be all NANI!?!?!?!? or, since you hate "straw mans," that they're going to, in your words, "look at your like you have 5 heads."

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– Bouldabassed 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Is English your second language? I get the distinct feeling you don't understand the terms false equivalence and strawman. What false equivalence am I making? What argument of yours am I cartoonishly misrepresenting?

With a difference like that, context is everything.

Sure, I agree with that and even gave a concrete example in my previous post.

It'd be like hearing someone from India pronounce the first "r" in "February" or the second "c" in "Connecticut." You might incline your head slightly, but probably wouldn't even be sure you heard what you thought you heard.

This is where you go off the rails. It isnt in any way the same. In English, there aren't even any other words that sound like "ConneCticut" or "FebRuary." Japanese has way less sounds and homophones are much more common as a result. If you fuck up pronunciation, intonation, and the context also doesn't make it obvious, people would absolutely be stumped for a second or two at least.

I feel like I'm back on reddit arguing pedantic things about Japanese with people who don't even know Japanese.

Even in a general sense, jokes like that can land alright if the language doesn't have the exact sound in question, and the one you use in the joke is the closest thing. But in this case they do have the sound used in the joke and it isn't the same. I'm reminded of a comedy bit where the stereotypical dumb gaijin dude makes a joke by switching かわいい and こわい and all the Japanese people at the table look at him like he's a retard. Obviously nowhere near as severe in this case, but similar energy.

Sure it's perhaps a bit pedantic, but no need to get so worked up over it.

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– joeyjojoshabadoo1 -2 points 2 years ago +1 / -3

Here you go with false equivalency: Saying that the dif between speaking "onna" and "ona" (as I've said, a fraction-of-a-second lingering on a soft consonant), is basically like speaking the difference between "ka-wah-ee" and "koh-wah-ee" two clearly entirely different vowel sounds. Two entirely different mouth-shapes to make the sounds, even. And you have the brazen foolish stones to bitch at me about "false equivalency."

"Similar energy?" What the fuck does that even mean?

And worked up--I'm responding to your fucking essays trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. I'm not worked up, I'm just irked because you and idiot B had to waddle your WELL ACKSHUALLY asses into the middle of a good joke and fuck it up with this pedantic (and wrong) faggotry. Nobody cares how many swords you own, nor the difference between a katana and a wakizashi, if that's where you were going next.

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