A nearly 10-1 death ratio sounds very unlikely. What is the proof that this is actually from the Mossad, and that the Mossad would actually be able to accurately find out about these numbers?
And 2458 dead NATO soldiers from Germany? I'd be surprised if it was 24.
The Gulf War had about a 100-1 death ratio estimates on the low end, and that was against the 4th largest army in the world at the time.
It's not out of the realm of possibility that one of the largest militaries in the world would get that result against a small corrupt Slavic nation, even if it were getting help from the west.
The Gulf War had about a 100-1 death ratio estimates on the low end, and that was against the 4th largest army in the world at the time.
Yes, it's not completely impossible. But this was after shock-and-awe and establishing air superiority very early on, and just mercilessly pounding demoralized conscripts from the air.
I'll never understand the Russian air force's non-existent performance. Whoever heads the Russian air force should follow the example of his predecessor in June 1941. Apparently, USSR military doctrine was that they were never going to get air superiority, so they focused on artillery and AA instead. Bizarre stuff.
It's not out of the realm of possibility that one of the largest militaries in the world would get that result against a small corrupt Slavic nation, even if it were getting help from the west.
Two corrupt Slavic countries going at each other. One has the greater theoretical manpower (though not used, because they used only 170k for an invasion of a huge country with 50 million people) and more material, while the other has 800k with military experience due to 9 years spent terrorizing the people of Donbas.
In absence of a successful coup de main, it does not seem immediately clear to me that the Russians have the advantage, unless they actually mobilize their superior resources and manpower.
It probably as someone has stated before a doctrine issue. The USSR and Russia afterwards strategic planning never envisioned a scenario in which they would be able to have or maintain air superiority long term over hostile territory and instead is focused on defense and retaliatory actions.
It makes sense when you look at Russia's primary potential enemies are. Also when you factor in Russia's previous military engagements have all be low level conflicts in which there wasn't any form contestable air space.
I do enjoy his talks with Napolitano, as I do Scott Ritter's, but I take both their claims with as much salt as the Western media. There is simply no way to know.
Yeah, that did make me uncomfortable - although it has little to do with his analysis, such as it is. And he says that it was retaliation for his opposition to WMD lies - who knows these days?
Why would a 10:1 death ratio be unlikely? It's Ukraine, hardly an adversary with training, organization, attitude, or resources equivalent to those of Russia.
First of all, because the state would have long collapsed with a 10:1 death ratio. Secondly, Ukraine is not untrained. It has had 800k with practical experience terrorizing the Donbas.
As long as Russia refuses to equalize, this will happen.
I wouldn't call it generous to send weapons to fight until the last Ukrainian, but point taken. That said, 10:1 simply is not sustainable, especially for a country that is already at a 3-4 deficit in the relevant population.
IIRC, 250k Russians died and 60k Fins. Which is not exactly unlikely, considering how disastrous the invasion went. Besides, those numbers are the result of decades of historical research, not one website/newspaper reported the alleged claims of the Mossad.
Generally, those on the offense suffer greater casualties than on the defense, World War II France excepted. I don't think it's the case here, somewhere between 3-1 to 1-1 seems more likely.
Generally, those on the offense suffer greater casualties than on the defense,
That is the main thing that the numbers in the screenshot seem incredibly fake to me. A 10-1 casualty ratio in your favor, when you're the aggressor, especially when you launched a few abortive offenses in the first weeks of the war that went no where? That's not happening.
Agreed, even accounting for all the cannon fodder the Ukrainians used around Kherson and Kharkov.
The only reason I'm not completely ruling it out, is because of the incompetent Russian PR and because the Ukrainians are in bed with the US and the EU to spread propaganda. It seems to me that this would be very difficult to hide, but if you have a great propaganda apparat, then it is at least theoretically possible.
And more importantly, when you have spent the last several months losing massive amounts of ground, and then getting bogged down every time you have tried to retake it, to the point that one particularly well defended area could credibly be confused for a WW1 No-Mans Land shot if you made it black and white.
Numbers can lie. Combat footage does not. We can argue about who is winning what. But the idea that Russia is stomping on the Ukrainians is utterly laughable. And I would go so far as guessing the kill ratio is in Ukraine's favor (just by a small amount).
A nearly 10-1 death ratio sounds very unlikely. What is the proof that this is actually from the Mossad, and that the Mossad would actually be able to accurately find out about these numbers?
And 2458 dead NATO soldiers from Germany? I'd be surprised if it was 24.
The Gulf War had about a 100-1 death ratio estimates on the low end, and that was against the 4th largest army in the world at the time.
It's not out of the realm of possibility that one of the largest militaries in the world would get that result against a small corrupt Slavic nation, even if it were getting help from the west.
Yes, it's not completely impossible. But this was after shock-and-awe and establishing air superiority very early on, and just mercilessly pounding demoralized conscripts from the air.
I'll never understand the Russian air force's non-existent performance. Whoever heads the Russian air force should follow the example of his predecessor in June 1941. Apparently, USSR military doctrine was that they were never going to get air superiority, so they focused on artillery and AA instead. Bizarre stuff.
Two corrupt Slavic countries going at each other. One has the greater theoretical manpower (though not used, because they used only 170k for an invasion of a huge country with 50 million people) and more material, while the other has 800k with military experience due to 9 years spent terrorizing the people of Donbas.
In absence of a successful coup de main, it does not seem immediately clear to me that the Russians have the advantage, unless they actually mobilize their superior resources and manpower.
Russian air power is the most confusing thing.
I remember playing THeatre Europe as the Allies - you had to focus on Air Superiority from the get go otherwise you'd be crushed.
It probably as someone has stated before a doctrine issue. The USSR and Russia afterwards strategic planning never envisioned a scenario in which they would be able to have or maintain air superiority long term over hostile territory and instead is focused on defense and retaliatory actions.
It makes sense when you look at Russia's primary potential enemies are. Also when you factor in Russia's previous military engagements have all be low level conflicts in which there wasn't any form contestable air space.
For what it’s worth, Colonel Douglas McGregor of the US has claimed for a long time now that Russia is managing an approximately 10:1 kill ratio.
I do enjoy his talks with Napolitano, as I do Scott Ritter's, but I take both their claims with as much salt as the Western media. There is simply no way to know.
Scott Ritter is a convicted pedophile. Anyone who platforms him is sus.
Yeah, that did make me uncomfortable - although it has little to do with his analysis, such as it is. And he says that it was retaliation for his opposition to WMD lies - who knows these days?
Why would a 10:1 death ratio be unlikely? It's Ukraine, hardly an adversary with training, organization, attitude, or resources equivalent to those of Russia.
First of all, because the state would have long collapsed with a 10:1 death ratio. Secondly, Ukraine is not untrained. It has had 800k with practical experience terrorizing the Donbas.
As long as Russia refuses to equalize, this will happen.
It's not exactly a 1v1. Ukraine is currently being propped up with extremely generous aid packages from virtually every single Western power.
I wouldn't call it generous to send weapons to fight until the last Ukrainian, but point taken. That said, 10:1 simply is not sustainable, especially for a country that is already at a 3-4 deficit in the relevant population.
IIRC, 250k Russians died and 60k Fins. Which is not exactly unlikely, considering how disastrous the invasion went. Besides, those numbers are the result of decades of historical research, not one website/newspaper reported the alleged claims of the Mossad.
Generally, those on the offense suffer greater casualties than on the defense, World War II France excepted. I don't think it's the case here, somewhere between 3-1 to 1-1 seems more likely.
That is the main thing that the numbers in the screenshot seem incredibly fake to me. A 10-1 casualty ratio in your favor, when you're the aggressor, especially when you launched a few abortive offenses in the first weeks of the war that went no where? That's not happening.
Agreed, even accounting for all the cannon fodder the Ukrainians used around Kherson and Kharkov.
The only reason I'm not completely ruling it out, is because of the incompetent Russian PR and because the Ukrainians are in bed with the US and the EU to spread propaganda. It seems to me that this would be very difficult to hide, but if you have a great propaganda apparat, then it is at least theoretically possible.
And more importantly, when you have spent the last several months losing massive amounts of ground, and then getting bogged down every time you have tried to retake it, to the point that one particularly well defended area could credibly be confused for a WW1 No-Mans Land shot if you made it black and white.
Numbers can lie. Combat footage does not. We can argue about who is winning what. But the idea that Russia is stomping on the Ukrainians is utterly laughable. And I would go so far as guessing the kill ratio is in Ukraine's favor (just by a small amount).