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If America has a civil war or peacefully splits, the Right wing state that results from the split would soon be far more based and powerful than America is now. It won't be the "fall" of America, but a rebirth of America like the phoenix from the ashes.
There must be some process to eliminate the cancer of left wing ideology in the coming decades. If the democratic system fails to do so, then civil war, consolidation, re-conquest, and the purging of leftism will accomplish the same ends through non-democratic means.
The alternative would be a national suicide into some sort of failed state, much like we already have in deep blue cities now. I think there are enough rational people to rise up against that outcome if the lunatics run the asylum through elections.
Which, ironically, happened with Rome too, where Western Rome decayed while Eastern Rome reinvented itself, became Byzantium, and lived for another thousand years as one of the most powerful nations in Europe.
Kind of like how people keep comparing us to the Roman Republic not realizing Rome reached it's height after it overthrew the Republic and became an Empire.
Yeah, I don't think so. Just look at Russia. You'd expect the end of communism to make it more powerful, but due to the fact that it split - and the fact that it can no longer commandeer vast resources from the economy for the military-industrial complex - it is weaker than the USSR, at least according to you.
If there were two Americas perpetually at each other's throats, it would accomplish what the US has done in Eastern Europe: create a Ukraine that is an enemy to Russia and which keeps it busy. Or a Taiwan for China.
I keep being amused by you thinking that there is anything 'democratic' about the elite-run countries in the West, when the last thing they are concerned about is the will of the people.
Just because you call a system democratic doesn't make it that.
I don't agree. The splitting isn't what made Russia weak. You think if Russia still occupied Kazakhstan, it would be mighty again? Of course not. All the economic resources that make Russia relevant today are in Russia, not the outlying former Soviet states.
The true reason that Russia failed to become strong with the fall of communism is the culture of corruption that communism promoted. Communism, being an unworkable system, forced Russians and other communists to "cheat" in a corrupt fashion to bring the rigid inflexible unrealistic communist system into line with something that could function. This corruption, in turn, was suppressed in some but not all of its forms by the state. Once communism fell, the top down state pressure against corruption was removed. So "capitalism" never thrived. Instead, a subverted, captured, manipulated unfree market emerged wherein corruption dominated. A corrupted "capitalism" lacks the core features that make capitalism work: free and open trade. The game is instead rigged so people with corrupt advantages have the deck stacked in their favor, so they aren't kept honest by open competition. That's why Russia is poor. Corruption. Hell, Putin himself is corruption personified. He is the kingpin of a state built on corruption.
The Red America would not be corrupt, it would be a superior state in terms of values and laws and systems than the America we have now, since it wouldn't have the blue half dragging it down.
Nah. We wouldn't fight. Over decades, the Red states would pull ahead of the Blue economically, and then when the disparity became great enough, we would re-absorb the Blues through force and purge the Leftists in order to rebuild their failed states.
Why do politicians spend billions on ads if they don't think votes matter because the system is rigged? Seems like a foolish waste of money. Why do they aggressively make campaign stops in battleground states? Why is literally everything they do perfectly aligned with what a person who actually believes that America is a democracy governed by the voters would do? Seems like an enormous waste of time and money when they could just have a meeting in a dark room with the "elites" like Putin would, and save themselves the trouble.
I think losing half your population definitely hurts you in terms of power. Of course, the Russian heartland was subsidizing the poorer areas in Central Asia and for some reason the richer Baltic states, but the state as a whole was better off with 300+ million people rather than 150 million.
Particularly the Ukrainian SSR was a prize: with a Slavic population of nearly 50 million.
Russia was corrupt before communism, during communism and after communism.
But the blue half, if it is half, has more than half of its GDP and about half of its population.
That is very optimistic. But there is no reason to believe that such countries would not be at each other's throats. The Confederacy and Union were immediately, after all.
Because the ads are about which puppet will execute the will of the elites. Obviously, everyone wants to be president, even if you hold very little power when you hold that position.
Literally nothing is. Everything that happens, is in accordance with the preferences of the elites. This is not just my own observation. See the Princeton studies. Similar studies have shown that other Western so called democracies are really oligarchies.
Even Putin goes through the charade of an election, and for the same reason. People are more obedient when they think that what those idiot politicians do is 'the will of the people', when it's really the will of the lobbyists, MNOs and elites.
I would think watching the war in Ukraine, you can see population does not equal power. That hasn't been true to some degree dating back to WW2, with Japan being able to generally defeat the Chinese despite having a much smaller population, but it's only become far more exaggerated since then. A small rich nation like Singapore is a lot more powerful than a big poor nation like Madagascar even though Madagascar has a 5x higher population. GDP, technological sophistication, and doctrine matter by far the most. Manpower plays a very minor role now.
Technically you can go back to the 1800s and the British Zulu war, or the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs, to see examples of how a much smaller, but better organized and technologically sophisticated force can crush a much larger one.
Half of America's GDP is still the strongest country in the world. The Red US would have a large majority of America's land area, probably over 90%, and all the natural resources. Blue America would just have the west coast and northeast, basically. The Blues would be highly dependent on the Reds for things like power, food, and most everything else. Thing about liberals is that they concentrate so completely in urban cores.
That's different, because the Confederacy was clearly weaker on paper and everyone knew it. So when they got mad about not getting their way politically and said "ok then, we'll leave", the much more confident North thought that beating the South down would be a walk over. Nobody really thought it would be a long, bloody war, or they might not have started it.
Obviously there would be some conflict in some form, but not a whole "Civil War". The reason being that the Red states would be more powerful. They'd have the majority of the land, military, and resources. So the Blues wouldn't have the same confidence the Union did. Most Blues would be happy to have a national divorce.
I think the main issue that would arise if that most large Blue states have most of their land areas as Red. These Red areas would want to join the Red country, and the Blues might try to stop them. I think they'd fail militarily, and then we'd end up with a solution where you'd have county-level votes for which country to join to settle it.
That doesn't follow. People wouldn't want to be president if it's just a puppet position. Trump certainly wasn't anyone's puppet. Biden is, but that's highly unusual and a special case. Obama, GWB, Clinton, Bush, Reagan weren't.
Uhh, except the Trump Presidency actually happened. American elites are overwhelmingly left wing, and yet GWB won, and Republicans win all the time.
It's obviously a charade when he does it, though, same with other authoritarian states.