Russia also locks up young women that have been too indoctrianted by western values.
I dunno why so many people here cling onto worthless ideals like "freedom of speech" or whatever. Lock your enemies up. Better yet, kill all your enemies. Your difference of opinion that you use to undermine my authority is worthless. Liberal values like freedom of speech are worthless and need to go. The left won't care about your values when they gain enough power to lock you up so no point protecting your enemies. January 6th should be a prime example. These values are worthless. We should we locking up our enemies.
everyone can just say whatever they want and suffer no consequences from it
That's not what that means. The corollary to freedom of speech is freedom of association. The answer to "harmful" or wrong speech is opposing speech. Assault, threats, instigation, slander, and other forms of "words as weapons" have never been considered freedom of speech. Not so long ago it would be perfectly acceptable anywhere in America to beat your hypothetical pedo to a pulp if he said those words within earshot, by people who enjoy freedom of speech. "He was endangering our kids." Going further back, the liberal men who wrote the First Amendment would totally understand challenging a man to a duel if he insulted your honor with mere words.
It's one of those philosophical ideals that we've historically considered a good idea, like "love thy neighbor", not something anyone can claim to be an absolutist on. It's also an ideal that only makes sense within a unified culture. That culture will decide the bounds of speech and who has influence and a voice in society.
Sure you're pretty cucked if you say things like "I may find your speech despicable, but I defend your right to speak it!" and let your enemies say whatever they want despite the fact that they would like to see you and your family dead. We're in a culture war. In any war you first seize the means of propaganda.
The moment the right wakes up from their fever dream and realizes they're not living in the 1700s, and that the left couldn't care less about your constitutional rights from 300 years ago, is when the right will start winning.
The right do undermine themselves because I know if I stood up there and said we should start locking up our enemies, they'd say I'm a Nazi and MAH FREEDOM OF SPEECH, then elect some castrated pansy faggot boy and complain how nothing changes. It's why I've given up on politics. Until we have a Julius Caesar in place to force the kind of society the right-wing wants with an army to kill anyone who disagrees, anything we want to promote is worthless. The founding fathers didn't fix the problems facing them using words. They used guns BY ACTUALLY SHOOTING THEIR GUNS AT THEIR ENEMIES and not just going to the range and taking pictures with beer girls.
You are right about a lot of right-wingers living in the 1700s. Whenever I hear a lot of people discuss Traditional American values/beliefs, it's an ideal that could have only been realized then, at that time.
I've always been a fan of Benjamin Franklin's saying:
Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. - Benjamin Franklin
Why do I like this saying so much? Because he admits that only people with a shared value system can live in this hypothetical "free" society. Why? Because if everyone has the same value-system (virtuous people), then no one would use their freedom to do anything anyone else thought was bad (they wouldn't use freedom to be corrupt or vicious), since they were all virtuous people. So what's the conclusion from this? Freedom in itself is worthless because if you are all good people and thus will not use your freedom to do anything bad, then you have no need of freedom anyway because you'd never have used your freedom to do anything anyone else didn't want you to do. Without even realizing it Benjamin Franklin is actually advocating total authoritarianism under the same objective moral value system.
Russia also locks up young women that have been too indoctrianted by western values.
I dunno why so many people here cling onto worthless ideals like "freedom of speech" or whatever. Lock your enemies up. Better yet, kill all your enemies. Your difference of opinion that you use to undermine my authority is worthless. Liberal values like freedom of speech are worthless and need to go. The left won't care about your values when they gain enough power to lock you up so no point protecting your enemies. January 6th should be a prime example. These values are worthless. We should we locking up our enemies.
What's retarded is pretending no you're the good guy, no he's the bad guy. Just take what you want and skip the moral pandering.
That's not what that means. The corollary to freedom of speech is freedom of association. The answer to "harmful" or wrong speech is opposing speech. Assault, threats, instigation, slander, and other forms of "words as weapons" have never been considered freedom of speech. Not so long ago it would be perfectly acceptable anywhere in America to beat your hypothetical pedo to a pulp if he said those words within earshot, by people who enjoy freedom of speech. "He was endangering our kids." Going further back, the liberal men who wrote the First Amendment would totally understand challenging a man to a duel if he insulted your honor with mere words.
It's one of those philosophical ideals that we've historically considered a good idea, like "love thy neighbor", not something anyone can claim to be an absolutist on. It's also an ideal that only makes sense within a unified culture. That culture will decide the bounds of speech and who has influence and a voice in society.
Sure you're pretty cucked if you say things like "I may find your speech despicable, but I defend your right to speak it!" and let your enemies say whatever they want despite the fact that they would like to see you and your family dead. We're in a culture war. In any war you first seize the means of propaganda.
Can't disagree with this.
The right do undermine themselves because I know if I stood up there and said we should start locking up our enemies, they'd say I'm a Nazi and MAH FREEDOM OF SPEECH, then elect some castrated pansy faggot boy and complain how nothing changes. It's why I've given up on politics. Until we have a Julius Caesar in place to force the kind of society the right-wing wants with an army to kill anyone who disagrees, anything we want to promote is worthless. The founding fathers didn't fix the problems facing them using words. They used guns BY ACTUALLY SHOOTING THEIR GUNS AT THEIR ENEMIES and not just going to the range and taking pictures with beer girls.
You are right about a lot of right-wingers living in the 1700s. Whenever I hear a lot of people discuss Traditional American values/beliefs, it's an ideal that could have only been realized then, at that time.
I've always been a fan of Benjamin Franklin's saying:
Why do I like this saying so much? Because he admits that only people with a shared value system can live in this hypothetical "free" society. Why? Because if everyone has the same value-system (virtuous people), then no one would use their freedom to do anything anyone else thought was bad (they wouldn't use freedom to be corrupt or vicious), since they were all virtuous people. So what's the conclusion from this? Freedom in itself is worthless because if you are all good people and thus will not use your freedom to do anything bad, then you have no need of freedom anyway because you'd never have used your freedom to do anything anyone else didn't want you to do. Without even realizing it Benjamin Franklin is actually advocating total authoritarianism under the same objective moral value system.