On a similar note, casting Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury was a race swap, as was Idris Elba as Heimdall. But those were both also well before race swapping was a red flag of ill-intent, they were likely chosen because of their acting ability rather than just their race. And both of them managed to make characters that, even if different from their comic counterparts, were unique and memorable in their own right.
For Mindy with Velma though, I think it has less to do with anything specific about message, and her just being a raging self-important narcissist who self-inserted herself and her dream OC's (donut steal!) into a her own little world, used names that everyone knows to get their attention, but then was so bad at it that even people who have nothing to do with the Culture War are saying "What the fuck?" Plus the fact that it is very obvious she is a very bitter person (there was some evidence that she hates Fred for literally no other reason than he reminds her of an ex-boyfriend).
Plus Fury was black in the Ultimate comics version but I get your point. It was definitely before it was a red flag. Look at Willow. The showrunner talked about how organic the lesbian princess was and I couldn’t help but laugh. So the fact that lgbt seems to have to be in everything had nothing to do with it. But so many seem to think every movie or tv show has to have the set amount of diversity to be good. Everything doesn’t have to include everybody
I only read the Spider-Man, Avengers, and Miles Morales. But some Ultimate stuff was really good. Never read ultimate Hulk what was wrong with it. I think I may sell my Miles Morales first app when he gets a movie because they will hype it big time. I bought it for cover price and now it’s between 500 and 800 depending on where you look. Even my 2nd printing is like 200. What comics do you read most?
On a similar note, casting Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury was a race swap, as was Idris Elba as Heimdall. But those were both also well before race swapping was a red flag of ill-intent, they were likely chosen because of their acting ability rather than just their race. And both of them managed to make characters that, even if different from their comic counterparts, were unique and memorable in their own right.
For Mindy with Velma though, I think it has less to do with anything specific about message, and her just being a raging self-important narcissist who self-inserted herself and her dream OC's (donut steal!) into a her own little world, used names that everyone knows to get their attention, but then was so bad at it that even people who have nothing to do with the Culture War are saying "What the fuck?" Plus the fact that it is very obvious she is a very bitter person (there was some evidence that she hates Fred for literally no other reason than he reminds her of an ex-boyfriend).
Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury is a special case.
Marvel approached Jackson for the rights to use his likeness for the Nick Fury of the now-defunct Ultimate Marvel universe.
Jackson agreed, on one condition: that from that point forward, he would have exclusive rights to portray the character in films.
TL;DR: Samuel L. Jackson bet on himself, and hit the fucking jackpot.
Marvel never asked to use his likeness in the first place for 1610/Ultimates Fury, he had them over a barrel regardless of what Marvel wanted to do.
Making Norse mythology diverse was the beginning of this nonsense. Don't excuse it.
Plus Fury was black in the Ultimate comics version but I get your point. It was definitely before it was a red flag. Look at Willow. The showrunner talked about how organic the lesbian princess was and I couldn’t help but laugh. So the fact that lgbt seems to have to be in everything had nothing to do with it. But so many seem to think every movie or tv show has to have the set amount of diversity to be good. Everything doesn’t have to include everybody
Okay, you've got me curious: who was Ultimate Hulk?
I only read the Spider-Man, Avengers, and Miles Morales. But some Ultimate stuff was really good. Never read ultimate Hulk what was wrong with it. I think I may sell my Miles Morales first app when he gets a movie because they will hype it big time. I bought it for cover price and now it’s between 500 and 800 depending on where you look. Even my 2nd printing is like 200. What comics do you read most?
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it's amazing how most of the race swapped actors can't act despite the apologists saying that they were casted based on merits