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– lapalapa 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

Preaches the satanic doctrine of "love the sinner."

That came form Jesus. One's supposed to love everyone, even one's enemies. To be clear, to love is to selflessly will the good of another. Enabling delusions isn't love.

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– cartoonericroberts 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

That's Gandhi, not Jesus.

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– lapalapa 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Don't know about Ghandi, but I'm not wrong about Christian dogma.

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– cartoonericroberts 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

I mean, you are wrong. Anyway it's a moot point. Christ said, "go and sin no more" (John 8:11, look at that when Jesus actually says something it's easy to cite) which to alphabet people is hate. Stating the obvious truth that a man will never be a woman or that a union between two men or two women will never be a marriage no matter what the government says is hate. So it really doesn't matter; "love" to them is acceptance of their sin which is unacceptable for any Christian.

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– MattTheBlack 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Yeah people love getting pissy when I cite that. You don't get a free pass and you actually have to repent and change your ways and atone

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– lapalapa 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

to love is to selflessly will the good of another. Enabling delusions isn't love.

Jesus said: love each other as I have loved you.

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... continue reading thread?
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– Kaarous 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

It came from Jesus huh? What passage does Christ say those words?

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– Gizortnik 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Okay, Anti-Theist with a bible hub link to the rescue. I have no dog in this fight.:

Okay, Lapalapa is claiming what he's talking about is John 15:12

My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. [New International Version]

Here's more of the context. He does seem to be talking to his deciples before his imminent and predicted death.


As the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you. Remain in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and remain in His love. I have told you these things so that My joy may be in you and your joy may be complete.

This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

You are My friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not understand what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will remain—so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. This is My command to you: Love one another.


Okay, from the context I'm seeing here, including John 12, 13, and 14, it seems like when Jesus says "love", he's referring to the specific kind of love that he gives to his disciples. It's not just being all sweet and kind, but it kind of seems like it's a bond of obligation between Jesus and his disciples where Jesus is trying to educate them and lead them into understanding how the world is supposed to work, while trying to protect and care for them. In turn, the disciples are needed to listen to him and try and emulate moral and righteous actions.

I guess the point here is that you can't remain in God's love and recieve the blessings of a moral life if you sin... which would be reasonable.

Additionally, I found the "love the sinner" concept appears to have come from St. Augustine instead of Ghandi, which is according to "CatholicAnswers.com"

It’s from St. Augustine. His Letter 211 (c. 424) contains the phrase Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum, which translates roughly to “With love for mankind and hatred of sins.” The phrase has become more famous as “love the sinner but hate the sin” or “hate the sin and not the sinner” (the latter form appearing in Mohandas Gandhi’s 1929 autobiography).

I'd need to see more of his letter to know the context.

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– OldBullLee 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

"Biblical quarterbacking," as Helen Prejean called it, can go on endlessly.

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– MattTheBlack 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Jesus also disciplined his disciples

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– Gizortnik 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Yes, I think I pointed that out elsewhere.

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– lapalapa 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

His last words before ascension.

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– Kaarous 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

I asked you plainly. What passage? Because I'm pretty sure you're talking out your ass.

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– lapalapa 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Look it up if you care to.

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– cartoonericroberts 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Citation needed on that one.

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