Title, as he hasn't posted in 3 days and the man almost lives on the site
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I have been so rude to him I feel it's meaningless to say I agree. But the answer among friends is to let time and debate serve as a crucible for truth. If that starts getting people banned then it suggests that the truth is a violation (say, hypothetically, of rule 16).
Whether Imp is right or wrong that women are mustache twirling villains, or further, at the center of a unifying conspiracy, is not relevant. At the root of it, he got banned for suggesting that ANYONE of ANY identity could HYPOTHETICALLY be up to ANYTHING bad. Newsflash: that rule applies to 99% of discussion in all the big wide world because every single person (A) has a personal identity and (B) is affected by the actions of others.
The rule is totally ubiquitous and therefore meaningless. It can only be imposed unfairly and at whim, because a fair and evenhanded enforcement would shut down the forum, or, at scale, the entire internet. It's everything you ever hated about the response to gamergate- INSIDE the GAMERGATE forum lol
I've never been able to get a clear answer as to why we have all those rules ported over from reddit. It makes me suspect that those who imported them are actually our enemies.
Dom just has a hard on for being a censorious faggot. He's a creature of the pedo site and operating outside the parameters of that sick culture is beyond his imagination let alone capability.
So never actually speak for fear of being prevented from speaking, huh? That's fucking retarded or more likely dishonest.
Would better with fewer rules. Something simple like no porn and nothing explicitly illegal.
I went from, "you're not wrong, you're just being retarded about it" to "ok, I can't take this shit any more. Please stop."
It's never good when you drive even people who agree with 95% of what you have to say crazy.
It would bother me more if I thought he were some interloping and deliberately subversive figure, but he is a "real guy" and believes what he says. I feel the abuse I've given him is more of a sin than his passionately attempting to advance his personal opinions with others. It can be a lot but the onus is on the mods to makes rules that are honest and functional instead of serving as pin-the-donkey mcguffins for frustrated jannitors
I feel weird going on an Imp-defense posting spree, but the dude amuses me, and his bans are always bullshit.
Yeah, it doesn't really matter what he says, I agree with you. Imp gets banned for being passionate. (He, or at least his reasoning, is wrong, in my opinion, but that's beside the point.) He's not banned specifically for his beliefs; we've all probably said similar things toward someone at some point; like you said, it applies to 99% of discussion. I know I've said some edgy fucking stuff that could be considered identity attacks. He's banned because he's consistent and stands by his belief system, however warped we may think that system might be.
That's pretty gay, if we ban people for being consistent. We've all Imp-posted at one time or another. Let's just do the free speech thing here.
No, he got banned for declaring that women (an entire demographic) were working as a cabal to control the world. Not just one, not just feminists, not just female teachers. All of those would have been fine. But, he didn't choose to do that, and focused on declaring an enemy class as an enemy cabal.
It's easy not to violate the rule, plenty of people know exactly how to avoid it because they do it all the time. In fact, Imp knows exactly how to do it, and actively refuses. That's his choice.
If he said 99.9% of women were in such a cabal, or 99.8%, or 99.7%... when does that go from violating this """""""""rule""""""""", to being in the clear?
If it's so important and so dependent on his naming ALL women, specifically every single woman, then lets ask him if my mom is not involved. If he says no, would you not either have to unban him, or else, admit to at least some degree the utter gatekeeping foolishness of the rule?
I say this knowing full well he might condemn my mother, but you understand the point I'm trying to make
I do understand the point your trying to make, but this isn't about perfect quantity, it's about declaring women to be a bourgeoisie, and the need for a sectarian class war against them.
That traps people in the identitarian framework which perpetuates the Leftist metanarrative. Sticking to specifics, rather than an applied historical dialectic means no rule gets violated, and you stay out of they hyper-reality of ideological sectarianism that the Left always exploits.
I have to keep bitching, I don't mean to be outright disrespectful to you in a personally attacky sort of way but separately I very much mean to treat your arguments that way. I think much of what you have mentioned here is illogical, amoral, or a philosophical dead end of one kind or another.
First it seems you are encouraging people to use double speak and avoiding saying what they actually mean, specifically as a show of compliance. I could spend all day giving this the "leftist metawhatever" treatment that you have presented me regarding Imp but I'll just say this is morally reprehensible in my opinion because I associate it with the USSR which I am biased against.
Next, it sounds to me like you are arguing the hypothetical suggestion of the existence or operation of any class of wealthy people in general is leftist metanarrative, and that on this basis, we have a social responsibility not to discuss the possibility. That is morally wrong and also factually incorrect. It is objectively true that wealthy people exist, and that each person has an identity, and that people within identity groups express in-group preference.
Even more nextly... do you reckon any of us can name an actual left wing forum where Imp would be welcome to attack all women on the basis you've presented here? (Being that since "woman" is an identity, and attacks on identity are sectarian, and leftists exploit this, it is therefore fundamentally leftist)?
My last bit of bitching is: does left wing thought exceed the limits of free speech on KIA2? In order to communicate here, should we only say right wing things? But not tooo right wing, since that's actually leftist again? Is there a chart somewhere to help miscreant posters identify the allowable portion of the spectrum of human thought?
But why the fuck is it the rule? That's the reason people are complaining. Honestly, we should have a weekly stickied thread where rule 16 doesn't exist and it's a free for all
Because a right-wing space is either explicitly right-wing, or it subverts to left-wing.
Rule 16 denies the application of a Marxist historical dialectic as part of an argument. The Left have always blamed some enemy class "bourgeoise" for the "oppression" of some victim class "proletariat". This manufactured hyper-reality generates the necessary sectarianism for a forceful revolution against the standards. The fundamental purpose of that narrative is to overthrow the order to establish a new Leftist one in it's place.
The Left uses it against any chosen group: the rich, the kulaks, the peasants, the rurals, the whites, the men, the jews, the blacks, the christans, the foreign, the indigenous, the whomever. It doesn't matter how, but as long as the dialectic is applied, it allows for the sectarians to howl that there is oppression, and such oppression must be met with violence and the imposition of a new socialist standard that brings "justice" for the victim class that are represented by the vangaurd, whom assume the role of a dictatorship of the proletariat.
This happens 100% of the time.
It's not going to be a free for all. And it's also not going to be containment of Leftism. It is going to be a thread where anyone who doesn't agree with the narrative, will get berated out, and then they will complain horrifically that the thread is an evil containment vessel.
The purpose of rescinding Rule 16 is to attack the users and forum slide until this forum is also kept as the personal container for Leftist racialists. They have their own forums, and I've explicitly refused to engage in any sort of tit for tat with them on their turf. They do not want to leave anyone alone. They want conquest. They have no intention of an honest dialogue. Frankly, I suspect that a good portion of them are Useful Idiots of the Left, if not Leftists LARPing as Nazis anyway.
I honestly don't care about the 1488 dummies, as while I get why the ones who aren't feds believe what they do, I just think as you said, because the only way to get their way to a white ethnostate is using the power of the government to kick hundreds of millions of people out of the country, it'll just devolve into leftist authoritarianism in the end anyway.
I just feel like it's really fucking stupid that Imp keeps getting banned for the same shit over and over again when people here frequently say the exact same shit about "them" and get nothing. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that a large portion of the most passionate leftists are white women, Imp calls this out constantly and the 1488 people get in a rage about it and report him.
I personally would never report him because I think while he's way too extreme in his personal view, refusing to acknowledge that a massive portion of liberals are white women, simply because they're white is pretty bullshit. Those same 1488 people have a lot more in common with black conservatives than they do with white female liberals simply due to how they grew up, and I get that some of them think giving a liberal woman the dick is gonna cure the liberalism, if that was the case 100% of the time, the issue of trans kids wouldn't be a thing at all because it's the mothers that push it on their children most of the time.
IDK, I'm just annoyed that Imp's gone for another week just because either a liberal troll or a mad 1488er decided to report him on shit that isn't even that bad, and they regularly say worse and don't get reported for it.
TL;DR: I get why Rule 16 exists, I just think it's pretty fucking stupid to have to enforce it the way it is if it's really to prevent liberals from spamming how much they hate white people/their chosen oppressors, considering Haterjuiced and Jester don't post here anymore.