Trump is evil and we have proof this time
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I mean that's basically my stance. I don't know what happened there, but I know a lot of conventional wisdom is bullshit. In any case, I give no credit for having been victims. I like people that weren't victims.
If Mr ADL tries to put that into a word, I know the word that is going to come out is "denier" so fuck it. Yeah I deny their authority to dictate acceptable history.
In particular, if Fuentes is questioning, or even confused, I don't look at that as a character flaw. He could just be wrong, or he and I could disagree.
There's a point where being ignorant about something becomes being willfully ignorant about something.
George Bush didn't direct the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and I've listened to conspiracy theorists genuinely argue that because of any litany of things, they have a narrative that is coherent as long as it's not challenged, and that's pretty common for conspiracy theories (that are false). Someone who says: "9/11 didn't even happen" is making a very different, and neigh-on impossible claim. I don't trust the MSM, I know they've repeatedly lied to me in the past, but to claim that 9/11 didn't happen because I don't trust the MSM is so resistant to basic facts that it can't be taken seriously by anyone except the delusional or the intentionally malicious. Even a Flat-Earth conspiracist has more credibility. It's on par with "the moon is a hologram".
Holocaust Denial is a whole different beast because it's the only conspiracy theory built on motivated reasoning alone. Literally, the strongest "Revisionist" arguments are: that everything happened (gas chambers and all), but just not here or to just this much. After that, is literally only motivated reasoning and magical thinking, specifically because the evidence and documentation we have from not only the camps, but the people involved, and the confessions of interested parties, make it clear that the holocaust is real and actually happened. Even alternative forms of indirect evidence: the recognition that although the treatment of Russian and American POW's late in the war was horrific, both sides acknowledged that the death camps & concentration camps were worse.The fact that the Americans had to draft entire policy structures dealing with liberated camps because it took months to treat survivors and feed them to the point that they could be physically handled properly or fed without accidentally killing them. The fact that both militaries struggled to stop their own armies from conducting reprisal killings everyone associated with the camps. The fact that German units attempted to rush to surrender and get processed before the camps were discovered and they were investigated for war crimes. The fact that some survivors of the holocaust cited their personal experiences as justification for atrocities against ethnic Germans around Europe. One Czechoslovakian mass-murderer specifically said to his victims once, "I was at Autchwitz. I'm going to make you wish you were." before torturing them horrifically to death. Then of course, there's the literal enormous piles of bodies.
There is a point where being ignorant because 'I don't know' works, and being willfully ignorant isn't really an excuse. "I don't trust the media" or "I don't trust the establishment" doesn't negate that the moon is real, the WTC collapsed, Finland exists, and that the Holocaust also happened.
I can't really debate anyone point to point on the Holocaust. I know what the uh Weisanthal-approved story is, and I am familiar with some of the points of contention of revisionists. Discernment would really take original research, or at least following someone I could trust, and I don't know anybody, and I can't undertake individual research on every topic -- particularly those that are not immediately applicable. I learned a lot about COVID, for instance; didn't spend lockdown reading about the Holocaust.
It's not really ignorance. It's knowing enough to not claim to be an authority. Of course, to be at that point I have to acknowledge that there's two sides.
9/11, well not all the conspiracy theories can be true at once, but I'd not be shocked if something was different from the way the government reported it. The moon I have verified it exists through original research: there is nothing else big enough to block out portions of the sun as I have seen in an eclipse.
You're still not getting it.
You don't need to be an authority on anything to know the holocaust happened, in the same way you don't need to refer to a scientist to understand that the moon exists, nor refer to a 'terrorism expert' to know that 9/11 happened. You accept the latter, but you don't accept the former.
That's what makes Holocaust Denial different. There isn't a "second side". It's a rejection of reality itself. It's the only conspiracy theory built solely off of motivated reasoning.
This is why when you push all the way down the line, and move past the rhetoric, you can eventually get a Holocaust Denier to admit: that they know it happened and it was a good thing as far as they are concerned.