We all know the story of the ADL's recent actions vindicating critics of Jewish power. We here are also familiar with anti-idpol, the idea that identity politics such as BLM, feminism and white nationalism, etc. are bad and should be discarded in favor of egalatarianism and the movmement/scene/faction/whatever that attempts to make that happen. Anti-idpol's response to the ADL's recent actions has been to declare that the ADL's apparent pro-Jewish activism is merely a front for their real goal, supporting Democrats, a response that I mocked and critiqued more rigorously. Anti-idpol's followup so far has been to sub "Fabian" in place of "Democrat" and restate the argument. This does almost nothing to alleviate the problems with this take that I pointed out in my critique. I suspect anti-idpol will sub nearly any word in the dictionary - with notable ommissions under "J" - in place of "Democrats" to see what they can get to stick if you play their games long enough.
Now imagine if black or white nationalism was in the news doing something bad. Do you think anti-idpol would hesitate to critique either one as a political force? They certainly don't hesitate to condemn white nationalism with the strongest possible language, calling it genocidal. You would think Jewish idpol doing something bad would be a great opportunity for them to point out problems with additional forms of idpol. Instead, they seek to launder Jewish idpol's actions by blaming them on other political forces. How can anyone take so-called anti-idpol seriously when it washes the hands of Jewish idpol like this? It looks fake and gay to me. Will they finally cede ground and admit that we are witnessing Jewish idpol in action?
Did you even read my comment that I linked in the OP?
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/16ZDhBALTQ/x/c/4TnP1iO8Ogi
The only thing you sort of addressed about it by swapping "Democrats" out for "Fabians" is that you acknowledge the ADL as a global organization, unlike the original claim floated about their agenda being about Democrats and therefore US domestic politics. Everything else stands unaddressed.
I was answering the one question you asked. Why would I answer a question from 4 days ago in a reply to a question from exactly this second?
You are claiming that they aren't trying to benefit Jews, but all you did is swap Dems out for another bogeyman. Everything I said in my 4-day old comment there still applies. Notice how swapping out Dems for Fabians clarifies nothing.
First off, the ADL maintains a Zionist disposition and consistently advocates on behalf of Israel. If they are all about
Democrat partisanshipFabians-or-whatever-other-bogeyman-other-than-Jews, why do that have the same position on Israel as the Republicans, including Trump?Secondly, the ADL has done a number of oddly specific things that have no obvious pro-leftist/democrat implications. As u/trump4045 said, they attacked Iceland for trying to ban circumcision. The ADL also attacked AirBnB for boycotting Israeli settlemnts. How does any of that help promote
leftism/demsFabians-or-whatever-other-bogeyman-other-than-Jews?Thirdly, it's one thing to examine the ADL's motives, but you also have to look at the responses to them. While the ADL doesn't get their way 100% of the time - PewDiePie and Tucker Carlson come to mind - it's staggering how many times the ADL has told seemingly powerful institutions to "jump" only to be answered with "how high?" Is nearly every organization on Earth
leftist/demFabians-or-whatever-other-bogeyman-other-than-Jewish controlled?Fourthly, the ADL isn't the even the only Jewish organization involved. While the AJC has worked with the ADL at times, it's still a separate org with its own leaders and history, and you can interrogate its actions along the same lines as my first two critiques above.
Lastly, I can't help but chuckle at the reversal of fortunes here. It's usually the critics of Jewish power who have to fight off accusations, including from this conservative/whatever milieu, that we are flat-earth tier conspiracy theorists reading tea leaves, yet here it is them who are saying, in so many words, "The ADL has all the appearances of a Jewish supremacist organization, but that's just what THEY want you to think!"
Correct. A Leftist secular state weilding jewish nationalism as a cudgel. Because they are Leftists.
No, I just went to the source. Democrats are just a final political end-point from the Fabian infiltration and subversion of western governments. We could have stuck with BLM. National Socialism, Communism, and Fabian Socialism tend to be enemies, and yet you have Black National Socialists being funded to race riot and burn police stations. The Fabians understand (by definition of the name), that in order to bring about Socialism, you have to undermine and subvert the population slowly in a cultural war of attrition.
You have to make yourself seen as the absolute political representative of your specific faction of the Coalition Of The Margins. It's all about looking like you give a shit, in order to impose Socialism, which in the end betrays everyone. This is the lesson that the Social Democratic Party in Germany figured out in 1918: if the Left just goes around and says "Fuck you, we don't want democracy or representation, we want a dictatorship of the Proletariat. If you had read more Marx you wouldn't have asked us for such stupid things." to the people that elected them; you'll get ferocious blow-back from the populace. Instead, the SDP had to pretend like they gave a shit, and had to act slower and more methodically. Molding the world around them into Socialism. Hence the word "Fabian".
A mostly worthless criticism about Iceland is a good way to catch a headline while jews get beaten and fucking macheted by Black National Socialists in New York City, all as Bill DeBlasio shuts down their synagogues.
It's the same reason Feminists condemned men generally in Cologne, rather than Islamist migrants. Or refuse to condemn Islamist grooming gangs in Labour party safe districts. You keep pushing the narrative regardless of how many of the people you claim to protect die.
How many women's organizations are there? Guess what: all of them are operating off of a Feminist framework. Which means all of them are operating off of a Marxist meta-narrative applied to sex. It explains why every single solution to every single problem involves Socialism as the only answer.
How many black organizations are there? Same problem.
How many workers organizations are there? Same problem.
How many environmentalist organizations are there? Same problem.
Leftists only believe in Leftism. Everything else is a skin-suit.
Every single solution, to every single problem, to every single issue, in every single one of these pressure groups is Socialism. You can watch the ADL betray and condemn jews all day long for not being good socialists.
What a load of nonsense, AirBnB wasn't boycotting "Fabians." It was boycotting Israeli settlements. The ADL got that reversed. The Iceland thing wasn't just PR. They got that reversed as well.
In other words, the ADL secured tangible, material, economic gains for Israeli Jews and preserved Jewish religious/cultural traditions in Iceland. If that's not a real political force, then I have to ask how you would define a real political force.
It's interesting that you are throwing the AJC under the bus. Are you saying that an organization with this history is all about leftism?
Wait until you find out about the liberal organizations that don't liberate anyone, and the conservative organizations that don't conserve anything.
Do you include the pressure groups that align with Republicans? You ignored the point I made about the ADL's pro-Israel stance aligning with conservatives and Republicans, including Trump.