A working justice system evolves to mitigate the death and horror that happens without it through revenge. You can't kill people over simple offenses: it's disproportionate in the same way revenge is.
We don't have a working justice system. This guy saw a crime, used the appropriate level of force to detain the criminals until the cops arrived, and then a bystander compelled him to release the criminals before the cops got there and now he's the one facing charges.
The only reason the bikes went back to their owner was because the criminal's mom turned them in.
The social contract works both ways. You cede the freedom to make your own justice to the state in return for the state's promise to handle it. The state isn't keeping up it's end of the bargain.
And let's not even get into the fact that the cops have carte blanche to blow you away if you don't do exactly what they say (or sometimes when you do!) no matter what crime, if any, prompted their interaction with you. Don't preach to me about proportionality.
I agree that things are dire and that society is faltering, but outright destroying what we have left and embracing murder isn't going to fix things. On the contrary, it would accelerate the destruction.
Eh, I'm currently reading some history texts about the early 1800's England. Napoleonic War type stuff. You stole back then and you hung.
I wouldn't say life back then was awesome, but that's probably largely due to the technological limitations of the time. Lots of poor and no mechanism to feed and employ them. It certainly wasn't a Mad Max dystopia or anything.
A working justice system evolves to mitigate the death and horror that happens without it through revenge. You can't kill people over simple offenses: it's disproportionate in the same way revenge is.
We don't have a working justice system. This guy saw a crime, used the appropriate level of force to detain the criminals until the cops arrived, and then a bystander compelled him to release the criminals before the cops got there and now he's the one facing charges.
The only reason the bikes went back to their owner was because the criminal's mom turned them in.
The social contract works both ways. You cede the freedom to make your own justice to the state in return for the state's promise to handle it. The state isn't keeping up it's end of the bargain.
And let's not even get into the fact that the cops have carte blanche to blow you away if you don't do exactly what they say (or sometimes when you do!) no matter what crime, if any, prompted their interaction with you. Don't preach to me about proportionality.
I agree that things are dire and that society is faltering, but outright destroying what we have left and embracing murder isn't going to fix things. On the contrary, it would accelerate the destruction.
Eh, I'm currently reading some history texts about the early 1800's England. Napoleonic War type stuff. You stole back then and you hung.
I wouldn't say life back then was awesome, but that's probably largely due to the technological limitations of the time. Lots of poor and no mechanism to feed and employ them. It certainly wasn't a Mad Max dystopia or anything.
Those were more pious times, and they had a justice system. What you were talking about before was murderous vigilantism. It's not the same.