Independent women's votes have apparently shifted 34 points, they are now R+18.
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Marriage rates at record lows and the majority of young men don't want kids either.
I think this tactic is going to fail hard. Their value is nowhere near what they think it is and is dropping fast.
Men always want kids. Young men aren't having kids, partly because they can't find a woman worth having them with, and partly because they're afraid, perhaps rightly, that they'll never be able to adequately provide for them.
I probably would have disagreed with you a handful of years ago, but in the end I think you're right. Probably influenced by a bit of my own change of mindset. I never wanted kids for years, I still don't like little kids much, but now I could at least say it wouldn't be all that bad.
The finding a woman worth having them with gets even worse as age and ability to adequately provide increase, as you really end up where the remaining women are nothing but mental cases and other people's problems.
Yeah I can think of some people I know well married with a decent size age gap and they certainly seem like the ones that are doing well with it.
Honestly I even get weird reactions from some people with just my guy friends because I'm spread out in age both older and younger, or that I have a pretty close relationship with my oldest nephew or cousin both around the early teenage years. It's always women that frown on stuff, seems like the rule now is everyone is in perpetual high school and you're only supposed to pay attention to those in your grade.
I'm lowkey getting worried I'm in that group. I fell for the "focus on your career and start seriously looking in your 30s" meme I got from my boomer mentors/relatives.
The women I see day to day now that im almost 30, getting into a career, and finishing school are personable enough but would they be women I'd want to start a family with? NOOooo 😯
Lol. Provide? You mean after she decides to take the kids, the house and his wages too?
How old are you guy? Do you have any male friends with divorce stories? How many of them made it out without having to sleep in their car while they hand over their wages or go to prison? How does that song go?
Show me a single, female college graduate between 30 and 35, and I'll show you a woman with a body count in the hundreds who is finding out that this is her last chance to settle for the best sperm donor she can get.
I must congratulate you on the comprehensiveness with which you didn't read what I wrote.
I read what you wrote. Did you read what I wrote? Want me to read it out loud to you? Or perhaps just help you with the big words?
I pointed out that our gynocentric society has revoked the social contract that is the foundation of western marriage and as a result the incentives for the majority of men to participate in marriage is at an all time low. The risk/reward is just shockingly bad for men.
If you are not aware, social competition between males for the privilege of breeding has been literally the primary driving force of civilization. Males compete with each other to provide resources to women in return for fidelity and knowing that their genes are being passed on. Historically that has been about 50% of males that get to have kids, and the rest don't.
One of the huge advantages of western society is that the social contract that sees enforced monogamy between partners (there are real consequences for cheating if you get caught) was singularly effective in increasing participation in society by young males; encouraging them to work hard and compete, because they had an excellent chance of securing a mate.
Well, now they don't. Women surf Tinder and order home delivered one-night-stands from a small percentage of the male population. Women attend college and fuck dozens of guys, and don't settle down. Even just four partners a year between the ages of 18 and 30 is 50 sexual partners. That is vastly more than I've ever had, and I am older than 30 by quite a bit.
AFAIK, the demographic for women with highest chance of being married for life is zero sexual partners before marriage and strong church attendance. Met any of those? Ever?
So young men can't find a high quality female to marry; All of them are standing line for a night with Chad or Tyrone. Chad and Tyrone are not willing to marry because they have a long line of willing partners. If a man is willing to pick up some left overs at 30 or so, his risks of utter financial and relationship catastrophe are very high, and there is basically no effective way to mitigate these risks. This situation eclipses the '[fear] ... that [the man] will never be able to adequately provide for them."
Men don't want kids, actually.
Bullshit. Young men always say they don't want kids until they hit 30, and then suddenly they do.
The fact is that men's biological urge to protect and provide for a family is every bit as strong as the female urge to bear children. To say that it isn't is to buy into one of the biggest feminist lies.
No, the biggest feminist lie is that we can't ignore biology to avoid a shitty deal. We absolutely can and should.
I think that study conflates not wanting to have kids ever with not wanting to raise kids under current (and predicted) circumstances.